To think enough is enough, time to have a re-vote on brexit

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I'm still having problems sleeping with brexit, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night thinking it was just a nightmare. But its real and with each day it gets worse.

Now the banks are saying they will leave the UK, as we are 80% services and the banks are a very significant part of this it will be catastrophic for the UK economy.

Most of the people i know that voted to brexit now regret their decision so why not have another vote on it?

I was devastated by the result and talked obsessively about it for ages and then there seemed to be a bit of a lull and a feeling that things might be OK after all.
Now, the reality is starting to bite and it all just feels really scary again.
I'm not angry with Leave voters, I'm fucking incandescent with rage at David Cameron who should never have called the Referendum in the first place. And then he just waltzes off to make yet more money on the after dinner circuit.
Something so complex and important should never have come down to a straight Yes/No vote.
My family will probably be ok -DH and I have secure jobs and have paid off our mortgage. My kids have Irish passports. But that's not the point.
Much as I don't blame Leavers, I refuse to just shut up and stop whinging. I will whinge as much as I fucking well like because this is about our children's future and the kind of world they will inhabit. 'Whinging' to me means complaining about something trivial like your favourite brand of tea being discontinued. I can't think of many things less trivial than this.

1. This complex issue should not have been left to the public to decide. We have parliamentary democracy in the UK.
2. Such a massive change should have been subject to getting at least 50% of the electorate, rather than just 50% of those who voted.
3. The issue of whether A50 can be unilaterally reversed (by the UK) should be unequivocally determined before it is triggered.
4. The actual triggering of A50 and deal should be subject to Parliament's approval.

Oh come on you must understand margin for error.

Doesn't matter what people said before hand, because legally that isn't binding.

Just like the 350 million isn't.

I'm fed up of hearing that another vote or to rethink the outcome 'would be a mockery of our democratic process'. The referendum was a mockery of our democratic process. We were lied to at every stage and played like fools. Why wasn't there a referendum commission to oversee the campaigning for such an important decision?

The truth is neither side actually thought it would happen as was evident in the mass resignations and rabbit in the headlights look of the remain camp that day. We are pawns in a game that has gone horribly wrong where is the justification and democracy in that.

Small,

'Oh come on you must understand margin for error. '

Sample of 30 million, margin of 4%. What statistical distribution are you using that makes this within the margin for error? What do you mean by error? I am assuming you don't mean a miscount error, as the margin is way too high for that?

What 'errors' are you talking about here? Or is just people's error in not voting 'correctly'?

The error rate for miscounted ballots is 2 percent.

As the vote was only just over 3 percent difference I'd counter that there is no majority at all.

it would be interesting (if one had nothing better to do) to compare the totals of remainers calling leavers racists/idiots/fools/selfish/country destroyers, against the abuse directed by leavers against remainers (which is mostly 'you lost, get over it')

at least some on this thread (on both sides) are able to understand the other position. If only there were more like that.

Where does it stop? You cant keep voting until you get the outcome you want. Democracy doesn't work like that.

I would vote leave next time as I'm heartily sick of the attitude of some of the remainers. A lot of my friends and family would follow suit.

Best just buckle down and get on with it.

That's not how democracy works either.

Yes, OP, there's no guarantee that a revote would turn out a different result. In fact, I'd be willing to bet more people would vote Leave than did last time. Just an outsider's observation.

Most people I know have accepted the result & hardly talk about it. I'm only on here & FB & out of nearly 200 FB friends only 1 is still going on about it. Even on here there's only a handful of really hardcore remainers still unhappy with the result. How you react to things like this is down to personality type, which is why they'll never be an answer good enough for some.

Oh right so we can say that about leavers who complained and didn't acrept the result of the last ref then ?

Yes. Anyone who refuses to accept the result of a democratic process has control issues.

So we should never have had the ref in the first place then should we?

Hoist by your own petard methinks!

Indeed there is no guarantee remain would win. Despite financial services being our biggest export industry and raising an incredible 20% of our tax receipts- the people don't want it here. Theyd rather be poor than in the eu.
So let's do it.

Yes of course we should! because no one under 50 had voted on it before.

No, the reason we had the vote is because we had 40 years of people not accepting the result of the last one.

OK then we'll only take into account the votes of those under 50.

Remain it is. By a far bigger majority.

Small This was the first chance I have ever had to vote on remaining in the EU, as I was 9 in 1975, so those born 1954 and after wouldn't have had the opportunity to vote, as they wouldn't have been 21. Why wonder at it that we took the opportunity?

There was no status quo for which to vote, as the EU is rapidly changing and it is a moot point how long the EU will take to either fully integrate as a US of Europe, or implode. I am happy that we have voted to leave as I think we were on a hiding to nothing by attempting reform from the inside.

No, the reason we had the vote is because we had 40 years of people not accepting the result of the last one

& when they finally get their say you want it ignored?

What a charmer.

There are far more people over the age of 50 than under it who are of voting age...

You can make as many assumptions as you like, but they're essentially baseless. The majority of people voted to leave (even if you count a 2% margin of error, which would apply to both sides of the vote).

The EU is fast failing. Better to get out now than be sucked down by its black hole.

Well surfer why should we not respect the democratic decision of the first one?

What a hypocrite

Scary as far as I'm concerned you shouldn't have been able to vote if eu nationals here weren't allowed.

Oh and even if the EU fails and we're outside. We're fucked anyway.

This is the best think that can happen.

At least now there are no excuses.

-Trains are late --> EU's fault
-Education is faulterign --> EU's fault
-NHS is breaking down --> EU's fault

Now at least and at last we are:

-going to become the leaders in free trade by leaving the largest free-trade bloc in the world.
-going to deal with China and the US on equal terms and show them who's boss
-going to become a communist paradise (or unfettered capitalism depending on where you thought your brexit interests lie)
-going to shut down Nissan factories and Eurostar (because hey, Brexit means Brexit so no moaning, don't tell me that it wasn't what was meant)
-going to erect a wall between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland

Well surfer why should we not respect the democratic decision of the first one

Eh, because I've just told you. No one under a certain age had voted in that referendum - I certainly hadn't!