To think Trump will win

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I'm living in the Southern States. I think he might well do it. Clinton is coming off as seriously corrupt. No one thought BREXIT would actually happen either. What's the feeling on the U.K. side of the pond?

Clinton is seen as corrupt (morally and financially). She pissed off the SAHM contingent when she was First Lady, and she pissed off many women when she decided to stand by her man after Monica (and the others). She has been portrayed as something close to a communist (which is tantamount to saying that she sups with the devil, in US political terms).

He won't win. I don't even think he wants to win at this point. It's just all a massive ego trip.

I think this too. He doesn't want to be president of the United States. He just wants to win the biggest competition there is. He wants to beat everyone else at everything. He's a narcissist remember, and god knows what else.

Not much to add

But if i believed in god i would pray

I cant believe that people would seriously want to vote for trump

its weird though. .there are lots of really capable serious non spiv business people who could be good presidents and even people like Henry Rollins (look at his recent interviews about the American Condition, people and politics on YouTube ) sound thousands of times more thoughtful, clear and presidential than Trump who still sounds like he's selling sofas in an 80s Sofa Warehouse commercial. Its totally bonkers

I have read a piece from the I newspaper that said that a polling company that considers all four candidates (there is a Green Party candidate, who is a woman, and a possibly libertarian male candidate, I think, but a cursory Google search hasn't brought up any names) found that a lot of people will vote for the other two candidates and this could split the vote in Trump's favour.

Sorry, don't want to spread gloom and doom and I hope this is a red herring.

Found this site with useful info: Candidates.

I think he could well win. It's all very well polling politically engaged people as the pollsters do, the threat comes from his silent voters that keep their opinions to themselves but come polling day go and vote Trump mainly to give the establishment a kicking.

Look at brexit, look at last years general election. Leaving Europe? Tory majority?
No one really saw ever of those coming did we.

I fear he will win.

I'm just as worried about people voting for Gary "What is Aleppo?" Johnson. I think people voting for him rather than the other two is what is will give Trump a chance.

I hate to say it, but fear Trump may do it as feel he'll win several of the key swing states. It's a terrifying prospect.
I went to University in Virginia and so still have a lot of friends there, most of them think the same and are worried. Yes, as president he's wings would be clipped to a certain extent, limiting his impact abroad. Domestically though I think it would be a disaster and we'd see even more divisions in US society.

IF the polls are correct Trump is slipping behind and running out of time. This map shows who is ahead in which state. The state of play right now is Clinton 262, Trump 164, 112 undecided. So Clinton would only need 8 of those electoral college votes to win.

IF the polls are correct, that is, and as Trump has moved ahead in one state it's clear that his campaign isn't sinking in the way that the Guardian et al would have you believe.

I note the comparisons with Brexit. Well, I see it this way. If the average politician is content to piss down the voters' backs and tell them it's raining, sooner or later some populist demagogue will call them out on it, and they will pick up support no matter how unpleasant they are. Enter Farage and Trump.

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I went to Cambridge too. Cambridge NZ: I filled the car up with petrol and bought a dodgy pie.

He's an American version of Boris.
A self serving lying turnip. They even have the same crazy levitating hair.
If he wins god help us he will be the last president.

F the polls are correct, that is, and as Trump has moved ahead in one state it's clear that his campaign isn't sinking in the way that the Guardian et al would have you believe.

Which state has he moved ahead in?

Wasn't concerned until today when I saw some of his 100 day plan - scary stuff but can see it appealing to some American voters. Just hope if he does win then he'll be straight-jacketed by the debate.
I love America as a country but their politics is something else. I know several Americans who firmly believe Obama is the Antichrist and Clinton is obviously linked so they'll be voting trump even though they don't like him either.... just leaves me speechless.

See the link: Indiana (11 electoral college votes) from "toss up" to "leans Trump (should that be "tossers?"). I should note that Georgia has gone the other way.

I'm just as worried about people voting for Gary "What is Aleppo?" Johnson. I think people voting for him rather than the other two is what is will give Trump a chance.

Not necessarily. See what is happening in Utah, which is Mormon central.

Trump is very popular amongst the religious right. Except, that is amongst the religious right who actually go to church. They all hate him. In Utah, which is probably the most religious-right state of all, McMullin the independent Republican is only one point behind in the last poll, and was four a head in the one before that.

Most things are going the other way. And God knows what's happening in Utah. Would really put the cat among the pigeons if that's replicated elsewhere.

I don't think Indiana would normally be a toss up. Making it likely Trump is just putting it back where it should have been. And where it has been for months until last week. I'm not sure it's a sign his campaign is not sinking.

I'm worried about the possibility too. I have a masters in politics and all my knowledge combined with my gut says there is a real possibility he could pull it off. The polls are not decisive enough for me. Also the likelihood of the shy Trump voters combined with natural Democrat voters who will stay at home because they hate Hillary makes me think he has a shot.

Perhaps. But on the other hand, Trump's supporters are a noisy lot. I bet there are some shy Clinton voters out there, like the shy Noes in the Scottish referendum.

It really is a possibility. I think more people support him than are willing to admit it.

Scares me. And I'm very conservative. Trump isn't a real conservative, he's a power hungry nut job using the Republican Party to get what he wants. I don't know why people can't see through him more just from looking at his history on the very subjects he's claiming to have conservative opinions on now.

TBH neither candidate is a good choice but Trump is dangerous. He is not fooling too many so I doubt the US will vote him in.

I truly hope he doesn't win. Surely he would be the worst President the US has ever had, by a long shot.

I am trying to convince myself that he won't win because the possibility of Trump as President and Brexit actually happening simultaneously is just too awful a combination to contemplate.

My DD3 said this afternoon that living on Mars would be preferable to living in a world with Trump as US President. That may be a little extreme, but I take her point.

Incidentally, when I was growing up "trump" was used to mean fart in a number of families.

President Fart. Well he can bugger off and fart in a corner somewhere.

The people of Maine voted in the most Godawful Republican governor, LePage, several years ago. If that can happen, Trump can happen.

That was because an Independent ran and split the liberal vote. LePage won with less than 50% of the vote.

Not at all similar to the presidential vote.

Brits love to believe that Americans are stupid enough to vote Trump in.

But they are not.