To think Trump will win

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I'm living in the Southern States. I think he might well do it. Clinton is coming off as seriously corrupt. No one thought BREXIT would actually happen either. What's the feeling on the U.K. side of the pond?

I'm terrified that he will win- as previous posters have said, people will vote for him but not admit it.

The only hope then is that the Republican Party, who seem to be finally waking up to what a liability he is, put a team in place who actually do the governing, and he just becomes a puppet who they just need to keep muffled. Not that I agree with Republican policies, because I don't, but it would be preferable that the free world is governed by the sane but politically unappealing option as opposed to a misogynistic, economically incompetent , sexually incontinent , racist mouth on legs.

The only tiny light at the end of the tunnel is that some Republican voters I know won't vote for Trump as they believe he is too liberal (!) on gun and abortion law, so they are voting for one of the other candidates. I'm hoping that these protests will split the Trump vote.

FlipFlops - you can't be president, you have to be a natural born American.

If Trump wins you could get the unnatural sight of a President stymied by a congress and senate made up of his own party.

I can't even get my head around the fact that he's even running for president, let alone in with a chance of winning.

I'm Brit, living in the not so wonderfully governed either UK. However, it has amazed me to realise that in the US, the voting population are being offered these two squabbling bozos, as supposedly the best of the bunch to choose from.....how the hell did that happen?

I wasn't overly worried about Trump's chances of winning, until I went to the US.

Our car broke down whilst we were there and we got picked up by the loveliest tow-truck driver. Seemed like a genuinely lovely guy.
The U.K. had just voted for Brexit, which was a bit talking point, and we asked him about Trump. He said, and I quote, "I'll be voting for Trump. The thing is, the people want change. We're fed up of the administration, and Clinton's a crook.'

I'm not really sure what 'the administration' has done, but it seems to be a similar argument as many supporting Brexit were giving - a kind of 'we want change' vibe.

This was back in July, and Trump's put his foot in it more than once since then. I can only hope that vile man gets nowhere near the White House.

Can someone explain why H Clinton is so hated/distrusted?

Thanks for the Micheal Moore link
Very interesting.

I'm trying to trust that common sense will win out but you just never know. All my American friends are extremely vocal in their opposition to him but I was astounded that the conservatives got in and then again by Brexit, given that all the social media I am on indicated the opposite of those outcomes. I'm worried, I do admit.

Same. Hilary is hated for many reasons one of which is her husband. Lots of people are ready to condemn her for his behaviour. Lots more sadly still believe a woman's place is in the kitchen not the White House.

Think about how many xenophobes and racists came out of the woodwork during the Brexit vote. He appeals to those with his talk of building a wall (the trump version of take back our borders brexit spouted.) Add to that number the sexists who won't vote for a women. Add on people who won't vote democrat by principal. You can also likely add on a lot of anti abortion campaigners and homophobes who don't agree with her stance of pro rights for LGBT and pro choice. That's before you hit people who just don't like her because of Bill or because of her personality.

The US is massive and different states and areas often have very different attitudes. In some it's like stepping back in time to the 50's where women are expected to put up and shut up. In some openly gay couples don't feel safe (Orlando shooting showed this attitude) In others anyone who isn't white needs to be careful (see the police shootings of black suspects who are often reported as being unarmed) It's sad but it is reality.

Sadly there are far too many people who wish they could say what trump says. It makes me sad for society that for someone who is a racist, sexist bigot who abuses his power to belittle and assault women he seems to have so much support.

Whatever reasons people give, I suspect the real reason is mysoginy in many cases.

P.s. I have been having a this "argument" with husband for months. He thinks Trump has no chance, I think he has a scarily real chance and agree re shy Trump voters. His comments won't deter his main voting base as they will, on the whole, agree.

I wasn't overly worried about Trump's chances of winning, until I went to the US.

Same. Detailed above but we did a road trip and went through some of the battleground states. It scared me how many trump posters I saw. Trump voters are far more vocal though so I just pray that the silent ones are pro Clinton.

I certainly hope not, but pollsters can get it all wrong, like they did in the last UK general election. Either they didn't ask the right people, or the people they did ask didn't like to say they weren't going to vote what they thought would be seen as the 'right' way.
Or, since voting's supposed to be a private matter anyway, maybe they gave the wrong answer on purpose, to serve then right for asking.

Must say it's occurred to me that either/both of the above might be happening in the US.

I domt think he will win and I damn well hope he doesn't. Team Clinton all the way !

If you get a chance to watch Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (on sky) do. It's brilliant. He went through some of the allegations against Ckinton and yes, they were bad, but simply nowhere near as bad as Trump. I don't really remember the specifics, I know he went through the email server issue, finance bu pt the consensus was bad, but not illegal and not as bad as the press have mAde out.

I also didn't realise until his show that there are 2 other candidates - the Liberatarians (he seems awful) and the greens. They are kind of seen as spoiler parties though, only getting less than 10% of the vote between them.

I have a bad feeling too that Trump will win. When the Torys got in at the last election, proving the polls wrong, one reason is that people simply lied when they were polled, they didn't want to be seen voting for the tories so they lied. I can really imagine that happen ending in the US. Although, that fact that Trumo has got this far, maybe they are too stoopid to lie ....

I don't know. It just doesn't say much about America when he is a potential president.

I'm sure it's been said on here before, I wonder if down the line, Michelle Obama will run for president. she is amazing

www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/the_people_who_hate_hillary_clinton_the_most.html

This fascinating reading. Mostly terrifying but also fascinating. This but stood out hugely:

Rosner’s antipathy doesn’t follow a precise ideological trajectory. Now 78, she says her negative feelings about Clinton first arose during Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign. Rosner says she was especially irritated when, in response to criticism of her work at the Rose Law Firm, Hillary said, “You know, I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession.”That bugged me,” says Rosner. “She was putting down regular women, people who stay home and take care of kids and bake cookies.” It’s not that Rosner was offended on behalf of housewives; she herself has always had a career. “I just thought it was a stupid comment,” she says. “I don’t think she’s as smart as most people think she is, or seem to think she is.”

So this career woman hates Hilary because she defended being a career woman? Just what?

I heard it likened to the Cherie Blair effect. I think that's our closest equivalent. Whatever she did she got hated on.

Why do they have they have the rule that you can only be president for two terms? Not saying I think Obama would get in again as I don't know enough about it, although my gut says he would but I don't understand the reasoning behind it.

I'm trying to reassure myself that if he does get in, he won't be able to do anything too stupid because of the way things are set up...but I'm not utterly convinced by that.

I am surprised and disturbed at the hatred being shown towards Clinton.

The man is like a toddler with his stupid comments and tantrums. 'Woohoo USA!' is hardly political policy. Sadly catchy phrases seem to get people excited.

He reminds me of Homer Simpson. Even the same colour.

On R4, months ago when they were still choosing their party candidate, James naughtie interviewed young female democrats. One specifically stated that she wanted Bernie Sanders to win, and that when it came yo the general election, Trump or no Trump, she would never vote for Clinton. I can't understand voting against your beliefs because you don't like the party candidate. I

I still can't believe that he's actually running for President, the man is farcical. I've no doubt that there is an element of inaccuracy in the polls in that there are people who won't admit to voting for Trump just like there were people who didn't admit to voting Tory in 2015 and also in 1992 which was very similar to the last GE - most polls were saying that Labour and Cons were neck and neck but John Major scraped in with a narrow majority. However, I'm still quietly hopeful that he'll do better than predicted in the polls but won't actually win.
I just don't get it. If any MP had been recorded admitting to sexually assaulting women, they'd pretty much have no option other than to resign on the spot. There's absolutely no way they would ever get to stand for PM.
Much as I detest Farage, I can understand his appeal to a certain group of voters - the straight talking normal bloke thing (even though he went to Dulwich college and worked as a banker) and always being pictured with a pint in his hand.
I get voters being sick of 'The Establishment' and wanting a change but Trump totally is the Establishment. He was born into wealth and avoids paying tax. How can he claim to be the voice of 'ordinary Americans?'

Sorry - not in the nature of the thread but

He reminds me of Homer Simpson. Even the same colour.

made me laugh out loud

Same middle initial too. And you never see them in the same room...

I think it's very possible that he'll win.

I think people want an effort-free route to change where all they have to do is put their X in a different box and then sit back and watch the show. They don't want to have to work at understanding complex solutions to complex problems, they just want the guy who keeps saying he understands their problems (oh the irony) and has a quick and easy solution to it that will fix it all by Christmas. It's what people who've been unemployed for years and have no hope or options want to hear. When you've nothing left to lose, why not vote for the random guy who says he can sort it out? It can't get any worse, from their perspective, and if it makes others feel a bit of their pain then why not?

I'm a little comforted by American friends who tell me that a US President has much less actual power than a British Prime Minister.

Homer Simpson is actually a loving and caring person though.