To think only 3 of the 15 migrant children look under 18

[AmyMiller]

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This is so ridiculous, many of them look around 25.

One of the main issues is that we can't actually resolve the refugee crisis.

It isn't just the Syrian conflict. There's so much destabilisation and environmental degradation across North Africa and the surrounding region that it is going to be crisis after crisis for decades to come.

And many people will suffer and die. All we can do are put sensible policies in place so that we can help some people by bringing them here and alleviate some suffering by sending aid there.

But the problems are bigger than we can resolve, and there are going to be many people we cannot help, no matter how harrowing their situation.

Did you not say that in some circumstances young men are the "preferred option"? That would mean that they are more at risk than the "non-preferred" option which I assume are women and children (particularly female children)

Fluffy - I was under the impression I had been explaing the system to you, foster carers, independent living etc. That's me being wrong again.

Yes I do work with asylum seekers, refugees and other young people. I can't speak for these particular young men but I have worked with Afghanis for over ten years and Syrians for about four. Lots of other ethnicities as well.

As I explained previously I have been tangentially involved with helping to 'age' other asylum seekers and refugees.

They love recipes and Mr Bean.

mygorgeousmilo

oh ffs dear RTFT before sprouting all sorts of shite accusations.

Wading in with your size 7's makes you look like a right tit

Again the dehumanising, of young Syrians sitting around watching the Great Syrian Bake-Off and strumming idly on their guitars.

When will people see how much murkier the truth is?

"Some circumstances" - some being less frequent than most.

I also placed the caveat that I was being deliberately vague.

Bitofacow

Well if you're the one doing the "aging" I now understand why men are being passed of as vulnerable young teens.

is there a recipe for chicken and rice? I thought it was one of the basics for everyone

Amalfi you are a right shocker

I got deleted
Is there a club

This thread is becoming a car crash, and MN will end up having to pull it at this rate.

It's nearly full.

So where are the yazidi women and girls? Where are the Syrian and Iranian women? Why are they still in camps at risk?

Refugees in France are already in a safe country and if rape and exploitation is rife in the jungle why the hell arnt more men moving to safer camps in other parts of Europe or indeed France?

Bit you are a nice person. But we are all nice people.

There is no point doing a nice thing for 20 people if 2,000 people are harmed.

I also placed the caveat that I was being deliberately vague

Sorry - I don't understand. How can you be vague about whether one group of people are more at risk than another. It's a binary choice in the circumstances you gave.

Why would mumsnet pull this thread? Most of the debate has been respectful but obviously robust.

winchester totally agree.

Why do you feel ashamed? They're in France, a modern developed country.

I believe the expression is RTWFT amalfimamma. I could be randomly rude to you but on the whole would prefer not to be.

The question is bake or fry the chicken? Kabuli pilau or something spicyer.

The truth is indeed murky and very, very unpleasant.

Agreed dont

That's what I don't understand. I've never seen a group look less vulnerable.

It isn't always easy to judge age.

^^

No of course not, it just that every single picture of the vulnerable children we are rescuing seem to be grown men with the exception of one or two younger looking boys.

Yes yesterday women and children in dire need being forgotten and overlooked for young fit men already in safe countries.

It's quite despicable really.

Sorry

WinchesterWoman

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I think the sense of disquiet is coming from several areas that may not seem linked but in fact when considered closely are - or certainly are part of a shift in attitudes.

Migrants / refugees are welcomed into Germany, this has a disastrous conclusion for women on NYE - little press coverage, accusations of racism.

Migrants / refugees who are clearly adult males pose as children to gain an advantage when entering the UK. Accusations of racism abound for those who query this.

Adult males also pose as women to gain an advantage in sporting and other activities and to enjoy the benefits of being female.

It seems that women's rights (and children's rights) are being barraged aside for adult males who have taken very literally the 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em' message.