To think only 3 of the 15 migrant children look under 18

[AmyMiller]

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This is so ridiculous, many of them look around 25.

The country is not for the most part made up of 14-19 colleges.

Sixty eight per cent of children arriving in the year to June whose age was contested were found to be adults

They are simply news pictures. You suggest censorship in case people notice the bleeding obvious?

Disturbing suggestion. We've already seen censorship of cologne. No thanks.

As a parent you have to agree to your child being photographed. You sign the form. This is not censorship, there is another thread where a parent is rightly concerned about this. The UK government is in loco parentis. So the question is would you want your vulnerable 14yr old photographed? I would say no, you may agree and let your child's image be used.

Yesterday - there should be an FE college in most LEAs. They are not wholly 14-19 but have some provision for students who don't fit the traditional cohort. When refugees are distributed around the country this should be a factor in where they are placed. However, mistakes are made.

It may have been cynical if these are genuinely children but it would have been far more sensible to do so.

You have to get the general public inside if you want to change perceptions and policies and it's arrogant and short sighted to ignore this.

Back to poor old Gordon Brown and the Brexit result.

Going by the Home Office, the government is not in loco parentis and/or has any parental responsibility as apparently they were unable to consent to dental examinations being done.

Under the protocol that these refugees were admitted, yes, we should refuse to admit anyone who is not a child and does not have family connections in the UK. If not, what's the point of having a protocol and it will just be the usual suspects with the sharpest elbows who are admitted to the UK. Whilst vulnerable women and children are left languishing at best and killed at worst.

It fits a pattern of censorship of everything that does not paint migrants as victims. All men? Don't say it. Not Syrians? Don't say it. Crimes by migrant? Don't mention. Arson of migrant centres? Don't mention. Sex crimes? Cover them up. Sectarianism? Keep quiet. Christian victimised? Verboten verboten x 100.

bitofacow so you just 'guess' then? Great, that's really reassuring.

People should join the dots on sexual attitudes of mena men and admission to secondary schools. Without being called racist.

And by even allowing this the biggest winners are the traffickers. Take women and children from Syrian camps or indeed if necessary the jungle. Rescue them. not fit young men who have travelled through many 'safe' European countries to get here.

Is The British government in loco parentis with foreign born children in Calais? How does that work.

As I posted my dd and her friends were photographed by the fail and front page news following a horrific crash and no we weren't asked permission and received an apology but if her image could be used to get her to a safe country or to change people's attitudes to refugees then yes in a heartbeat I would agree.

There will be exploitation and money changing hands to 'get on the list' in the camps too.

No, WinchesterWoman - 68% of children where their age was disputed were found to be adults, not all UASCs

There are to be no medical checks at all. A bone scan would do it. But all interviews and papers.

This is only a few people and not that much of a burden. The enormous, worse damage is the exploitation, kidnapping, trafficking, deaths and drownings that will come in the months after these pictures go round the world.

That's what I said oleanna. I made that clear. Numbers are: It was I think about 900 to 1000 whose age was an issue aand about 700 who turned out to be adults. However they are not returned. Once in uk they can claim asylum as adults.

I'll say it for you: oh yes you're right my bad.

Winchester yes the trouble is if we are not transparent and discuss these issues it allows both the left and right extremists to gain ground as they exploit people's genuine concerns.

Look I have 2 sons I adore but let's face it men can shift for themselves and they are not as vulnerable generally as women and girls.

Am I worried that the vast majority of refugee men come from cultures that view women as second class? Yes. The Cologne sex attacks are a disgrace.

Do I think we should take women and children from Syrian camps? Yes.

Were the majority of those brought to Britain yesterday children? Of course they weren't.

Monumental mistake in not being transparent and not applying bloody commen sense.

Pyle I hope your daughter is ok

The enormous, worse damage is the exploitation, kidnapping, trafficking, deaths and drownings that will come in the months after these pictures go round the world.

Yup.

It's a massive PR win for the people smugglers.

Very good point Dontpanicpyke

These fit, healthy and wealthy young men (they've got here by paying the people traffickers) are being prioritised above the ill, the poor, the elderly, the women and the real children who are living in camps on the Syrian borders. Someone upthread mentioned the Titanic, a good analogy.

I agree with you pyke

Dontpanic why children under 14? You are legally a child until you are 18

Maybe because aid workers in the camp are in despair at those who have pushed to the front of the queue? Because claiming to be 17 and 12 months or 18 and 12 months takes you to the upper limit? When there are apparently far smaller younger - clearly CHILDREN - left in the camp in chaos as no one knows whats going on?

A special directive was set up to urgently rescue children.

We are seeing strong strapping lads men- coming through.

There are however thousands of real refugee children - in Greece where high numbers of syrian refugees are.

A bone scan would not do it. According to medical experts these scans are not accurate enough at this age. They can be out by several years.

Once in the UK they can claim asylum as adults and if they are found to be economic migrants they are sent home. And they are sent home I know this for an absolute fact. The underlying assumption seems to be that the HO is an easy touch and let's everybody stay. This is not the case. Please be reassured the HO imprisons and repatriates many young male asylum seekers.

Noeffongidea - I am only a little bit involved. There is very little joined up thinking about this at government level. It is difficult to discuss it and I know things I would NEVER mention because people jump to conclusions about sharp elbows and sexual attitudes. Please believe the majority of these lads are lovely. No I don't think that entitles them to a home in the UK but also they should not be vilified.

Government cuts meant an anti trafficking unit run by Barnardos was closed, no one cared. Now everyone has as opinion.

Lets not let's