To think only 3 of the 15 migrant children look under 18

[AmyMiller]

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This is so ridiculous, many of them look around 25.

Once in the UK they can claim asylum as adults and if they are found to be economic migrants they are sent home. And they are sent home I know this for an absolute fact

ah so they don't just dissapear then and run away? Like Siaras cousin from Pakistan did? And where do you deport someone too if they have burned their papers?

I have to be really careful do please excuse if I am a little vague.

Young men are vulnerable to rape and sexual exploitation too. In all male environments this is particularly prevalent. These young man are somewhat safer than girls but only by a little bit and in some cases young men are the preferred option. Strapping lads are raped as well as young girls.

They are pretty accurate when deciding between children and adults. Between 17 and 19 maybe not. Apart from that they are a good signal.

Do not pretend young men are more at risk than young women and girls. No.

Justgivemeamo - I said on a previous post some do disappear. Once out of the system we don't know where they go.

We can speculate, please read my last post and read between the lines.

No they are not sent back if found to be adults. They can still claim asylum. Most disappear if they fail.

Home office sources as reported today by BBC.

Young men are at risk of assault in all male or heavily male environments.

That's yet another good and obvious reason why European countries should not have encouraged movement across Europe rather than taking from the camps bordering Syria

Not taking from the camps has created male dominated environments for refugees.

Are you saying between the lines that young men are more vulnerable than young women and girls? Or even as vulnerable? Neither is true.

Winchesterwoma - I will not reveal details - the boys are not more at risk but they are at risk. Can you quantify whether it is worse to be raped as a man or a woman or is it just a God awful thing for anyone to go through?

I wonder how many people on here would be welcoming verified 17 yr old boys in with open arms....

If young men are at risk of assault, all the more reason to be vigilant. I don't want rapists of any age entering the UK and especially not pretending to be under 18 and sitting next to young people of both sexes in a school.

Yes Winchester - failed asylum seekers are sent back. They are not sent back for being adults they are sent back if their claim for asylum fails.
For example
They arrive in the UK are assessed as 17.
They are looked after by local authorities.
They reach 18 and removed from LA care.
Asylum claim is assessed if they are deemed to not be at risk they are sent home.

It happens.

Yesterday - surely we want to help the victims of rape don't we?

So the question is would you want your vulnerable 14yr old photographed? I would say no, you may agree and let your child's image be used

I would tell my child to comply with the rules of the UK and be helpful and polite to the country who is about to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on you.

Well as far as I understood it, that was the original plan.

We were supposed to be identifying the most vulnerable people, including the Yazidi rape victims, and bringing them to the UK.

But instead all the attention has gone on to a group of people in Calais, who a variety of people think should have priority, way beyond those under the Dublin agreement.

I was also surprised at how clean and neat and tidy they looked with nice hair styles. They live far better lives than people who are homeless here who are unkempt and wear basically rags.

who is doing the raping?

Given that they were taken in by a French charity, over the weekend, I would hope that charity gave them clean clothes, access to food, hot water etc, before they made the trip.

Almond - as I said there is very little joined up thinking.

We are scrabbling round doing our own little bits scared to discuss anything for fear of backlash the public are not always understanding of the complexities and cultural issues.

Bit

Yes, of course, but how do we know we are letting in the victims of rape or the perpetrators?

Whilst we cannot know for sure, letting in adult males posing as younger schoolboys is unwise at best.

Justgivemeamo - when women are trafficked where are they sent? White European men don't just rape girls.

I read it was the french charity who did the age checks. then passed them to us. I have read aid workers are pulling their hair out in the camp because its all being done in disorganized fashion with truly young dc being left out.

But the problem is that managing to get yourself fraudulently assessed as a minor when you are an adult confers a massive advantage.

Despite your lies, you get to claim asylum in the UK (or disappear), which is what eberyone in the Jungle wants. To just make it in.

So it is of vital importance that we do not allow the Dubbs protocol to be abused (as it will be if we are not careful).

We need to err on the side of allowing in the children intended by its supporters.

To allow its open abuse by adult males to get over the line will cause massive harm.

Within Syria, Isis are frequently doing the raping.

Within the camps, other refugees, traffickers, Saudi Arabian sex tourists in Jordan.

It also creates hygiene issues because women are afraid to access toilet blocks.

Women of Syrian ethnicity have been viewed in a sexualised way in the region for a long time before this conflict happened.

White European men don't just rape girls.

^^ so white european men are venturing into the jungle where the police dare not go to rape men like we are seeing in the pictures?