To think only 3 of the 15 migrant children look under 18

[AmyMiller]

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This is so ridiculous, many of them look around 25.

It is sentimental: you know that encouraging illegal migration might give a momentary feeling of warmth but in the long term is deeply destructive and harmful. Sentiment has no place here. Compassionate pragmatism, I guess, is better than sentimentality.

Foster care also doesn't necessarily mean a family home it could mean an independent living facility or room in a supported lodging

Well lets hope its the latter. But I doubt a poor, teenage refugee, who has been living in squalor and hardship for a year will be housed anywhere where he will have to fend for himself.

Imagine a poor Foster Carer's face if she is expecting a 14 year old refugee and a 28 year old turns up?

What happens if a Foster Carer agrees to accept the teenman and then worries, when she realises he is not a teenager, because she has other children at home (her own, say, 13 year old dd or ds and other foster children)? So asks her LA to come and get him. Where does he go then? Round and round all the other already full Foster Care homes?

I don't believe that family members are asylum seekers. That would be bloody ridiculous!

The young boy (the real teen) was shown on The News earlier. His older brother who has been settled in the UK for 10 years came to meet him. There would be no valid reason why he couldn't help his younger brother out in his hour of need would there?

When my son was 14, in year 9, he was in army cadets. He was walking home one day in his army cadet uniform. His kit bag was bulky as it contained equipment plus his school uniform, PE kid and school books. A man stopped to ask him for directions and then said, "Are you going home on leave from Iraq." My son said, "No I am going home from school."

He was over 6ft and had started shaving. He went to a party in a local club one night with his big sister, she was challenged about her age but he wasn't, he wasn't drinking and had an early curfew by the way.

It isn't always easy to judge age.

I do not and have not encouraged illegal economic migration.

We have a long history of accepting people fleeing persecution. I am talking about asylum seekers and refugees.

And above all I think everyone on here is agreed this situation is wrong it's pitiful and needs solving.

It's the how you solve it is the discussion and who do we help first.

My view are families from the countries that are at greatest threat and not men who are already in a safe country like France but refuse to avail themselves of the offer to settle in other areas of France or other European countries. Why is that?

But it does encourage illegal migration. Taking anyone from Calais encourages illegal migration. Failure to check robustly encourages illegal migration. Those pictures encourage illegal migration.

Bit if you read the news you will know there are hundreds of thousands of undocumented migrants here; most of them failed asylum seekers. It's pointless saying that because you know three who were put on a plane, all failed asylum seekers are put on a plane. It isn't true. I know it, you know it, everybody knows it

Even the HO has admitted, many times, they cannot deport illegal immigrants because they don't know where to deport them to. I doubt France would accept them back - especially when they thought they had got shot of them. That's why they are held here for so long and then disappear - like we all know they do. Except one :D

granny a previous aid worker and doctor stated pages ago that children and teenagers in war zones are far smaller and less developed generally than well fed well looked after British Boys.

This is s long thread so please read it.

" I doubt a poor, teenage refugee, who has been living in squalor and hardship for a year will be housed anywhere where he will have to fend for himself. "

Yep they are if they are over 16.

A lot actually prefer it, they have travelled across Europe alone so being given a curfew by a well meaning foster carer can be annoying. They swap recipes with each other, it's really sweet.

Bito it is encouraging trafficking and illegal asylum seekers of course it is.

Taking refugees directly from their countries is much more sensible.

Economic migrants destroy their papers so they can't be deported.

Wow.... you are stupid enough to a.) believe what you read in the mail, and b.) think that that's the extent of it! Anything not printed here just simply doesn't exist?! Oh there are no girls in the pics in the Mail, therefore none exist!! Also, some boys do look like bloody adults when they're teens, and I know from some of the vulnerable people that I work with (Brits if you must know) I am absolutely horrified when I see their proof of ID - having a damn hard life is extremely aging!

Fluffy - I know they disappear - I have posted about it on at least 3 occasions.

From my conversations they come to the UK because they have family. Also, many can speak English already. Some think the UK is a stepping stone to the US. Mostly it's not a plan it's just a shambolic accident. No conspiracy just a big fat mess.

A lot actually prefer it, they have travelled across Europe alone so being given a curfew by a well meaning foster carer can be annoying. They swap recipes with each other, it's really sweet

I bet they would prefer it. they can shave in peace and go out to meet their other menmates without a nosy old Foster Carer telling them they have to be home by 9pm, for bed. Swap recipes - my arse!

Turning a blind eye to these old dudes pretending to be 15 does real harm to the cause of genuine refugees. I work with a refugee charity occasionally on a voluntary basis - my clients, without exception, have had an horrific time of it and didn't lie about anything in order to be here. Shame on the French authorities for offloading these mendacious men on to the UK, and shame on Amber Rudd for permitting it.

My view are families from the countries that are at greatest threat and not men who are already in a safe country like France but refuse to avail themselves of the offer to settle in other areas of France or other European countries. Why is that

Yes - this.

I feel like the world's gone mad. Women are being told that we have to accept that transsexual bearded men are really women and that what looks like middle-aged men are not only children but just as or even more vulnerable than women and children stuck in refugee camps

Hello Milo: any time you want to look up the actual statistics for male-female child-adult migrants you can do so.

The story is basically this. All the men ran away last year leaving the women behind. This year all the women and children need sanctuary but the borders are closed because the men fucked it up, started fights, burned down migrant centres, attacked women, and took up all the spaces that more vulnerable people could have had, and turned many populations against them. And not surprising.

If the first wave had been women and children it would be a different bloody story.

Mygorg

Well what a shame you can't debate properly without calling people stupid daily fail readers.

Are you really that young? And suggest before you post you read the whole thread.

Do you think you are the one person on this thread who works with vulnerable children? Because you arnt.

I don't want to be picky (but obviously I am going to be) asylum seekers by definition can't be illegal until they are failed asylum seekers.

Sorry couldn't help myself.

they are if they don't engage in the process of asylum in the first place

Gobblin

It does feel that way, doesn't it?

And if women object, we are

"Swap recipes - my arse!"

They do! Am I lying? Chicken and rice is by far the most popular.
Why would you assume I am making this up?

*Hello Milo: any time you want to look up the actual statistics for male-female child-adult migrants you can do so.

The story is basically this. All the men ran away last year leaving the women behind. This year all the women and children need sanctuary but the borders are closed because the men fucked it up, started fights, burned down migrant centres, attacked women, and took up all the spaces that more vulnerable people could have had, and turned many populations against them. And not surprising.

If the first wave had been women and children it would be a different bloody story*

THIS - in a nutshell

"even more vulnerable than women and children stuck in refugee camps"

Who said that and where? Please quote.

Oh ffs these people have passed through other safe countries where they have declined refuge! They have travelled on to Calais where they are determined to get into the UK for our benefits and our bloody soft attitude.

There are too many towns and cities now where our Englishness has all but been wiped out. Is that acceptable? No. Not in my opinion. Multi Culturilism is okay until it wipes out the culture of the host country and IMO Londons culture has gone! Not only London either. Gone never to return. Where is the London the 60's? I am old enough to remember the fashion, music, freedom of expression.. Try that these days! You would not stand a chance.

These 'children' are not children at all. They are young men. Bad enough that they are young men being placed in schools with our CHILDREN, but what is worse they are young men who have experienced violence, they have probably commited violent acts, and they are being placed in our schools alongside our children. Please explain to me if you find that acceptable. Because believe me this is just another pushing of our boundaries. Next month there will be more, the month after that they won't even try to tell us that they are children. These are young men. Where are the women? Where are the little children? I have no doubt that they exist, that they need our help. Why are we bringing young men, out of all of those that need help? Why bring young men?

They do! Am I lying? Chicken and rice is by far the most popular.
Why would you assume I am making this up

How the hell would you know what they eat? This is the first batch of menteens that have entered the UK. You obviously don't work with them because you have no idea about the system