To think most women have been victims of sexual assault? Has anyone not?

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Has anyone here honestly never been a victim of some kind sexual assault.

Even if not rape be it some drunk bloke groping you in a nightclub, a date getting heavy handed or pushy,

an ex boyfriend who just got carried away,

a sleazy boss or work colleague roughing your leg or making an appropriate remarks,

a friends boyfriend coming onto you,

a man thinking you were coming onto him because you were friendly then not taking no for an answer,

a boyfriend coercing you into sex or something as a teenager.

Getting beeped at or wolf whistled and feeling embarrassed and uncomfortable.

I think we sweep it all under the carpet and I bet the average woman during her life gets assaulted or harassed more than once.

Not in my name either, speaker.

You can be a handmaiden if you wish. Currying favour with men by throwing other women under the bus is one way to navigate our tricky route through life, but it is one I eschewed a long time ago.

lighthouse someone mentioned a reclaim the night walk - that wouldn't be a bad start?

I,did a reclaim the night a couple of year ago. It was fantastic.

Eh, nobody has actually said they don't believe Pan have they?

We believe you should go out to the male posters too. Why not?

I know I know. Male privilege, patriarchy etc. To me that's just a way to minimise it

Don't speak for me speaker.

31 pages of women's experiences and you single out the man? Handmaiden.

More times than I care to count though it's only recently I've realised this is the case because of 'victim' blaming and fucked up boundaries from my childhood.

I actually made a point of condemning make sexual assault. All sexual assault.

But this thread is about women's lived experience.

I believe every word he says. My issue is that he has to hijack this thread to make a point that never needed making in the first place. Dick swinging pisses me off and I call it when I see it.

Yeah, no need to apologise on my behalf speakergirl. Thanks all the same.

I mentioned quite early on that male posters could start their own thread about their experience of abuse. This is a thread about women's experience. Both exist. Both are different - quantitatively as well as qualitatively.

Please don't apologise on my behalf either. I've nothing to apologise for.

speaker stop being so obviously goady. It's disrespectful to all the people who have shared their stories.

But nobody on this thread has said they don't believe him...

That'a nice speaker'girl'. Do you also want to use this thread to share anything about sexual assault as experienced by you as a woman? Or are you just here to endorse the male voice?

Ah. Ye olde BSD.

AF speaks sense.

Handmaiden? Well I guess the hours are good. In trying times in wake of Brexit I guess this job suits me :)

I don't disbelieve him either. But like others I object to a thread about women's experiences being turned round to 'oh, but men suffer this too'.

I think the difference between men and women's experiences is huge because even a small, physically weak man is stronger than most women. If you're a man and you've had your crotch grabbed by a woman, you probably found it annoying, upsetting even, but I doubt you felt terrified.

Really, you chose this thread, with painful accounts of rape and abuse, to goad and post smiley faces?

Don't apologise for me Speaker, because I'm not sorry. No-one has disbelieved him, or the other male on here. I have just pointed out that it is different, and that he has no place on a thread for women, filled with brave survivors who you have chosen to ignore...no, worse than that, lump in with the society that has done them such wrongs when they speak publicly about their experiences; especially when his being here makes his motive and mindset so clear.

Piss off speaker, this isn't the thread for it.

Another one who is not calling pan a liar

But this is a thread for women

I absolutely think that sexual assault of anyone is a bad thing so do feel free to start a thread and i will pop on it

you dont speak for me

How is it goady? You're here calling me a handmaiden

In fact, fuck right off. Are you trying to tell me that in light of all the stories here of rape and serious sexual assault, mine included, the whataboutmen-ing bloke who got his arse pinched and his cock talked about is the one that gets the sympathy and the tiptoeing around? Fuck right off.

How ugly and heartless, speakergirl, would you post smileys on murder threads as well or just on rape ones? Is rape a laugh for you?

Speaker. I was raped so many times I can't count. Hundreds if not thousands.
I was raped so often that I used to be glad if it was vaginal rape because that was less painful than anal

I still can't give my boyfriend a blow job because it freaks me out.

I is costing me £6,400 to fix my teeth. That were smashed out because I said no and tried to stop him.

Why am I not deserving of your I believe you?