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To think most women have been victims of sexual assault? Has anyone not?

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Lighthouseturquoise · 15/10/2016 17:19

Has anyone here honestly never been a victim of some kind sexual assault.

Even if not rape be it some drunk bloke groping you in a nightclub, a date getting heavy handed or pushy,

an ex boyfriend who just got carried away,

a sleazy boss or work colleague roughing your leg or making an appropriate remarks,

a friends boyfriend coming onto you,

a man thinking you were coming onto him because you were friendly then not taking no for an answer,

a boyfriend coercing you into sex or something as a teenager.

Getting beeped at or wolf whistled and feeling embarrassed and uncomfortable.

I think we sweep it all under the carpet and I bet the average woman during her life gets assaulted or harassed more than once.

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MerryInthechelseahotel · 16/10/2016 15:20

Would you men come on to a thread about childbirth and talk about your piles or prostate?

They probably would. And make it all about them.

BeyondReasonablyDoubts · 16/10/2016 15:29

There was a rape thread before where a man came on and shared his - admittedly horrifying - experience of being raped. There was then a noticeable influx of "oh gosh, you are so brave" etc posts...

RebelRogue · 16/10/2016 15:54

To the men on this thread,while what happened to you is not right i have some questions:

Did you ever had rumours spread by those women that they actually successfully got your boxers,and grabbed your knob and you let them? Hell you enjoyed it!
Did you ever had more random women accost and sometimes threaten you with violence to let them do the same things because they've heard the rumours? Because if you did it once you should do it again with whomever demands it of you?
Have you had gf mention the rumours but say.. Don't worry i'll know how much you've been around the block when we have sex wink wink?
Did you ever question yourself,your behaviour,your clothes? Wonder how it could've been avoided?
Have been name called by complete strangers (male or female ) because you're easy and obviously you're either a commodity or a threat?

If not...then don't fucking tell me you know how it feels...because you don't!!

PoochSmooch · 16/10/2016 16:14

Massive, massive huge amounts of elephant style solidarity to those who have been brave enough to share on this thread. I've been thinking about it all day, and it makes me so sad to think of the pain you've all suffered.

I've name changed to post this.

The beeping and the catcalling started when I was about 13 I think. Tall for my age. Visible. But very, very young for my age.
The first time I got drunk at 15, I was sexually assaulted by two boys and found wandering in the street in torn clothing by my father. No action taken.
Flashed at 16, and on a different occasion someone masturbated on my back while I was in a queue for a ticket at train station.
At 18, when I got a lift from some boys in a car (I really didn't know them, but I was drunk and very naive), two of them sexually assaulted me then took my money and left me twenty miles from home. I went to the police station, didn't know what else to do, and they didn't believe me. I remember the police officer saying "One of them was your boyfriend, wasn't he? And you had a fight and you decided to make this story up?". I left and buried the whole thing in my subconscious.
In my twenties, and suffering from bipolar disorder which often made me very uninhibited and vulnerable, I went home with a stranger who tried to put a wine bottle in my vagina. On another occasion, a different man tried to anally rape me.
Several more flashing incidents in my twenties.
In my thirties, I was out on my lunch break and a man came up to me in the street, shouted NICE TITS in my face, and when I told him to fuck off, he raised his fist to me and snarled "I wouldn't fuck you anyway you fat bitch".
A contractor who worked for me routinely used to leave copies of Nuts magazine on my desk, or ostentatiously read it when I was trying to give him work. When I asked him to stop, he wouldn't. I took it to management, and he told them that I had propositioned him, he had knocked me back and it was because I was "bitter" about that.
Into my forties now...I had hoped that I would get the cloak of invisibility, but it has yet to arrive. I was introduced to a man the other week, in his seventies, and when he shook my hand, not only did he refuse to let go of it, but stroked my wrist while keeping a death grip on me. I said "I need my hand back", and he said "don't deny an old man a bit of pleasure, love".

All of this is against a backdrop of catcalling from vans, from building sites, in the street, in every fucking country I've ever been to.

So when I say I find it hard to believe that there are women that this hasn't happened to, any of it, I'm not demeaning your experience, it's just like we've been living in a different world and I'm amazed. I bloody wish I'd grown up in your world, I really do. You must view it so differently. I'm glad for you, but I'm also jealous as hell. I don't know why my world has been this way - I'm very tall, and quite attractive i Suppose, but is that it? Can that be it?

I should say that despite all this, I like my life and I've been pretty lucky I think

thiswashelpful · 16/10/2016 16:16

I was raped by a stranger (teenage boy) on a college campus while attending a summer school in my late 30s.

Nobody knows this except my DH and the police. It was hard for me to deal with (sometimes I think even harder in some ways for DH).

I never told anyone else, friends, family, etc. So even if you do not know someone, then it can be because they have withheld that information.

From scanning this thread the number of people raped looks to be about 1 in 10. Think about that!! It is shocking ...and does not get the coverage it requires.

flippinada · 16/10/2016 16:37

Yes, my own experience - I only told my best friend. It's not the Surrey of thing you bring up in every day conversation.

No, wait I did tell my next boyfriend, who I (foolishly) thought would be supportive. His reaction was all about how it made him feel.

flippinada · 16/10/2016 16:37

*Surrey?! I mean sort. What an odd autocorrect.

yorkshapudding · 16/10/2016 17:03

I was sexually harassed by one of my secondary school teachers. He would make comments about my body, deliberately brush up against me when we passed in the corridor and find ways to 'accidentally' touch my chest or bum whenever we were in the same room. Once I happened to see him when I was in town doing some shopping on a Saturday and he followed me for over an hour. It went on for two years and when I eventually plucked up the courage to tell someone (a female teacher I liked and trusted) she told me I'd done the right thing coming to her and that she would sort it. I was relieved until it emerged that her idea of 'sorting it' was to arrange for me to not attend his lessons anymore. I had to sit in the library on my own and someone would bring me the work which I then completed independently and handed to another teacher. No further action was taken. It was never mentioned again.

Hardly surprising then that when I was sexually assaulted by a friend of a friend at university I didn't bother telling anyone.

Pallisers · 16/10/2016 17:16

Had my vulva groped a few times by a family friend when I was 5 or 6.

As an adult had my ass groped on the crowded subway a few times. A bit of cat-calling/shouting out car windows as well. Never found that remotely complimentary. But then it isn't intended as a compliment.

But more than all that, I have spent my entire life as a woman extremely conscious that I am a target. That has changed the way I behave in all sorts of ways. And I think this is true for most women.

I know that you cannot insulate yourself completely from sexual assault/harassment but most women I know take precautions that men never take - while realising that these may well be useless because the nice friend of your parents or your teacher or boss might be the one to grab you. So as well as being really angry about the actual assaults and threats of assault, I am really angry that I have spent my life making sure I didn't get too drunk except in safe situations and didn't walk down a street late at night by myself, was able to walk or run in my shoes etc. I shouldn't have had to do that but I did do it in an attempt to minimise my vulnerability to assault. What a world.

And also, given how rape victims are treated, I am not sure I would advise my daughters to report a rape. I wouldn't say that about any other crime.

Bluesrunthegame · 16/10/2016 17:41

Sexual abuse as a child by neighbour, street harassment from around 12 or so as my breasts developed early and were above average by the time I was 13 or so. Didn't seem to matter what I wore. Mostly loud comments when walking past building sites. Harassment in pubs/bars, a date rape I never reported, flashed on the underground, comments and gropes at work, and the tedious list goes on. Stopped around ten years ago, or so I thought. A plumber came to my house around 3 years ago, was chatting to me about how he had got back together with his girlfriend and their little boy, he had a job and their lives were all back on track. Then when we were discussing the work that needed doing, he said 'give us a kiss' and grabbed hold of me. I just about turned my head in time so he got a cheek and some hair. Did I report it? No, I thought about his little boy who had just got his dad back in his life and I did nothing, beyond asking the company not to send him to my house again. I feel like a coward, but also think that the company might not have believed me or taken any notice.

flippinada · 16/10/2016 18:03

Blues that's really horrible, and in your own home too. I can understand why you took the action you did - I'd worry about reporting someone who was capable of behaving like that and knew where I lived.

flippinada · 16/10/2016 18:05

I just wanted to add, you're absolutely not a coward. What he did to you was awful.

AnyFucker · 16/10/2016 18:08

You are not a coward, blues

Ausernotanumber · 16/10/2016 18:12

Blues. You are not a coward.

None of us are. We are all making the best decisions we can at any given moment.

Bluesrunthegame · 16/10/2016 18:28

Thank you so much, I now feel a little teary.
Flowers to all of us.

derxa · 16/10/2016 18:34

I'm actually not at all surprised to hear Lass has never experienced this!
What in God's name does that mean? Confused
I had one incident when a teenage boy groped me in broad daylight. I was so outraged I ran after him.
I wonder what the point of this thread is if there is no call to action.

stitchglitched · 16/10/2016 18:38

You are not a coward at all blues. I had a BT engineer come to my home about 6 years ago. After he left he got my mobile number from the paperwork and started sending me sexual texts. I didn't report him either, I was living on my own with toddler DS at the time and was worried he knew where I lived. They rely on us being frightened and intimidated.

Flowers for you.

MetalMidget · 16/10/2016 18:45

I've got off lightly. The only physical instance I've experienced was at a gig when I was 19 - a lad behind me decided to grope me. I managed to get out, crying and shaking.

Everything else has been verbal, from a random annoying old pervert trying to persuade me to do a Porn film for him, to several blokes in one night catcalling me or driving past me slowly, gesturing.

I was genuinely terrified with that latter one, as I was walking alone at night - unbeknownst to me, through a red light zone.

speakergirl · 16/10/2016 18:56

Pan? I believe you

I am also sorry on behalf of women for the flak you are getting

Ausernotanumber · 16/10/2016 19:00

What the fuck Speakergirl?

kazzacam · 16/10/2016 19:00

Sexual assault is sexual assualt
end of
just because we have been conditioned to think we asked for it , doesn't mean it's true

Boundaries · 16/10/2016 19:01

speaker out of all the stories, you pick out the man to do the I believe thing to.

And your apology on behalf of women? Not in my name, thanks.

Lighthouseturquoise · 16/10/2016 19:01

I feel as though something needs to be done but I'm not sure what.

To me it feels like women put up with both horrific and low level abuse every day and rarely say anything about it but no one in power seems bothered.

Between Donald Trump and Ched Evans it's bought up so many uneasy feelings.

I hope at least one person reading this realises why we still need feminism.

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Ausernotanumber · 16/10/2016 19:03

Actually yes. Me too.

Speakergirl. Not in my name.

It is male gaze writ large to have a man come on to a thread like this and make it all about him. And takes some level of self absorption.

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