To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

Its a new government - they have said as much. Pro Brexit (unlike Cameron) and brushing Osborne's austerity under the carpet. No mandate for Brexit -as voted for by the public as it is so vague in its supposed aims. May has simply decided what Brexit will be.

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Yes I can show them a speech by a politician without them bursting into tears, but when it's their own country and it's happening now, it's scary for them.

My kids cried when I made them watch holocaust documentaries and the film about Alan Turing. Does that mean I need a sensible TA to help you? No, it means my students are human beings.

Of course it's more like the 80's

That's not to take away concerns that EU workers have over their future here

fascist doesnt mean 'supporter of hitler', it usually means, in this type of context, authoritarian, nationalistic right wing statist.

Yep, she's not Hitler. She is a fascist though. And there are people on her side of the fence who could be as bad as Hitler one day.

N.B. Fascism: extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.

There have been a few black commentators saying that since Brexit, black pp have had comments made to them on the street that they haven't heard since the eighties. Namely, why don't you go back to where you came from?

Does that make you feel any better, OP?

This may not be exactly like the 1930s, but a lot of those same conditions are in place which is why we have to be vigilant about it and speak out. And although Trump may look like a joke to us, so was Hitler at one point...

Apparently parts of Amber Rudd's speech on making businesses declare foreign workers was strikingly similar to chapter 2 of Mein Kampf.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/amber-rudd-conservative-party-conerence-hitler-mein-kampf-james-obrien-a7347251.html%3famp?client=safari

YANBU, OP, at least not in what you say directly. I'm about as left wing as it goes (although less 'liberal' than most guardian readers), but even I can tell the Tories are not neo-Nazis. It is, you are correct, more like the 80s, which were shit (you missed that bit).

Apart from anything else, I don't think any current UK politician has the organisational skills to be a proper Nazi. Which is probably a good thing, much as I'd like better trains, since it means they will just faff rather than enforce properly oppressive policies, even when some extremists (Farage, etc) clearly want them. I'm more scared of Trump than the UK Tories, not that he's more organised or coherent, but he would have a fuck load more power and is far more insane than either side of UK politics. Theresa May is just a very dull middle-of-the-road Tory as far as I can see, which is where your Thatcher comparison falls down (she did, at least, have some charisma whilst saying insane things). The immigration stuff is pandering to a frustrated and angry underclass who have latched on to 'immigration' as a pet issue in the absence of any common sense understanding of economics. They'd be better on right-to-work marches, but don't have the sense to organise those. It's all just dull and low-grade depressing rather than actually extreme or Nazi-ish, really.

No one should have to deal with racism

And sadly for some they Brexit vote has justified their actions

But in the 80's it was acceptable we have moved on but there is certainly racism still about and that has to be deat with

Yes crying at the holocaust diaries of course, me and dd cried yesterday at 'children at the front line'

However crying at a democratically elected PMs speech in a liberal democracy is just wierd and I think you need to be very careful that you are not infecting your pupils with your own personal angst.

I think all this is actually s smoke screen because posters who are declaring its Natzi Germany again should remember that the rise to power happened because there was no credible sensible and strong opposition.

So stop worrying about May and sort out Corbyn as he's no match for her.

And If anyone here actually remembers the 70s you wouldn't actuality belive how racist things were and how unbelievably better things are now.

Mysogynistic views, not sure as seen some on another thread criticising Theresa's appearance and child less state! Horrible and from women.

The comparison with Nazis is probably hyperbole, probably Chavez in Venezuela or Peron in Argentina is more appropriate. There is something very dangerous about a populist government appealing to nationalism, demonising foreigners and elites, exempting the military from scrutiny, advocating increased government intervention and proposing to give itself increased power bypassing the elected chamber. This populist combination is worrying and I can't believe how little the BBC are scrutinising it - almost like they are afraid of being seen as an enemy of the people. I am married to an EU national and now feeling very unwelcome - will he have to go on the list of shame?

Capricorn - yes. Shocking.

If anyone can hear James O'Brien's speech about Amber Rudd's speech and genuinely be able deny the comparisons...

Ah the good old BBC bashing

As long as both Corbyn and May complaining, as they both do although Corbyn more, then our democracy is safe.

I think the BBC are terrified of everyone at the moment - they got held responsible for the David Kelly affair fgs. They're about to be decimated by the tory govt.

We are in dangerous territory. Anyone deemed against the 'people' or left-leaning- is in danger. Hence Theresa May's careful speeches. The 'elite' - but obvs not including public schoolboy Farage, or silver spooner Jacob Rees-Mogg, - the 'experts' we've all had enough of them, the intellectuals - all are a target if they are not being the voice of the 'people'. The 'people' being people that are spewing the populist view of the hour (anti-immigration, anti-refugee, anti- intellectual) - but don't include the likes of Boris Johnson, who is unbelievably elite. It's Madness.

with boundary changes and disenfranchisement, even if corbyn was a credible opponent he would stand little chance of election. one party state by default.

The comparison is obviously not historically accurate and a bit dramatic. But I do find May's calculated right wing populism scary. If anyone who is uneasy about aggressive nationalism is painted as a "sneering liberal" and jingoistic xenophobia is called "patriotism" (implying of course that anyone who disagrees is not a true patriot), the debate has certainly taken a sinister turn and threatens to encourage hatred and division. I think it's damaging and dangerous to question Britain's commitment to international Human Rights law at a time when Human Rights and international rules are being eroded like never before since the last WW. I can see how it puts people in mind of what it must have been like in the 30's to feel a country gradually shifting underneath one's feet and become unrecognisable. In the context of what's happening elsewhere it's frightening.

The irony is that while their ancestors' suffering is being appropriated, European Jews are leaving in record numbers, although they are fleeing intimidation and actual murderous attacks by Islamists, rather than purported Nazis. Doesn't comfortably fit that narrative does it?

13 / 14 year Olds in 'floods of tears' about their parents jobs. Wow, just wow.

Unless an adult has been properly winding them up, I'm sorry but I call bullshit. Im now absolutely certain you are in a wind up. Well played.

Amber Rudd is speaking straight from Hitler's early 1930s manifesto - make no mistake, we're no different from the Germans of that time. All seemed perfectly reasonable to them too.

The really scary thing is that I don't think there is any way of stopping this monster machine, no matter how many intelligent people warn against the parallels. People will choose to keep their blinkers on, until it's too late.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-amber-rudds-speech-echoes-mein-kampf/

European Jews are leaving in record numbers, although they are fleeing intimidation and actual murderous attacks by Islamists, rather than purported Nazis. Doesn't comfortably fit that narrative does it?

You've completely missed the point if you think that the hate has anything to do with Jews this time - it doesn't. Completely different scapegoats, but same rhetoric. This time, it's the Eastern Europeans, Muslims and migrants in general that are being blamed for all our woes, economic and otherwise. Same story, different bad guys - same outcome, if we're not very careful.

If you taught my kids I would be complaining that you need a sensible TA to help you.

I would complain to.

You are coming accross as very OTT.

You have listed all the things some of the cabinet have opted against etc but have conveniently forgotten Corbyn and his 'friends'.

However that doesn't fit your agenda.

Itsa I wouldn't bother, you won't change their minds. It's nice to know there are people who can see what's going on.

If it all calms down, great. If it doesn't then we will raise our voices.

What does whipping up fear and trying to connect what is happening now to the past actually achieve

people don't sit up and say wow you are right but I actually missed that

Politics has become very divisive there is a disconnect in both the far right wing and far left wing of politics it seems that some just want to out drama each other then there are those that sit in the middle that's the vast majority some to the right some to the left that just want to get on. We know there are issues with racism the UK isn't perfect but please travel a bit you will soon realise that as a country we are far more tolerant than many and I think it's pretty shameful to even think that there are large waves of far right supporters in this country have BNP ever done well in elections no.

Large sway ....