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To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

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jessica29054 · 05/10/2016 19:48

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

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BillSykesDog · 10/10/2016 09:21

Frumpet have you not missed it? Ours was last Thursday and I though that all schools were on the same day. Ours was going crackers reminding about the forms because they need funding. The bits you stated weren't prefilled though on ours. I remember because like another poster earlier on this thread I didn't feel that there was a box which accurately reflected DS's mixed background for ethnicity.

Providing a birth certificate at entry is a standard requirement. If you google 'starting primary birth certificate' it brings up all the councils doing it and they say it is a requirement. It also brings up threads going back to 2008 on here discussing the same thing. An alternative is EEA identity cards, passport or refugee/asylum documentation from the home office.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 10/10/2016 09:49

Recording the country of birth is new for the 2016 schools census. Schools may differ in how they collect it - but it is a new requirement. And one I'm uncomfortable with in the current political climate.

From the Schools Week website: The Department for Education (DfE) has changed the information that will be collected from schools this autumn to include details about pupils’ nationality and country of birth.

Fawful · 10/10/2016 09:58

Bill this is what we received one week after the referendum from DS's school:

'Dear Parents and Carers
The Department for Education has issued a new requirement for schools to obtain details of nationality and country of birth for all pupils.
Please complete the attached questionnaire as soon as possible. '

Then there was a link and further explanations:

'There is a new requirement from the Department for Education for schools to provide the nationality and country of birth for all pupils on roll. We need to add this information to our records for all pupils before September so we would appreciate your response as soon as possible and by 15th July at the latest. '

The fact that as you say they might already have this information somewhere only adds to the theory that they are only doing it to make us forefingers feel unwelcome.

Then again, citizenship status come and go, so if they want a snapshot as things stand now, they are wise to ask again. My DS for instance acquired a new citizenship since he joined primary.

The previous forms did ask what his home language is, but that says nothing about his nationality.

Fawful · 10/10/2016 10:00

*foreigners! Grin

Pearsandapples · 10/10/2016 10:26

I am thinking about starting a Brexit support thread for EU/British and EU/EU families, is there one going somewhere that i don't know about? Is this something I should post in this forum or is there a more appropriate one? Thanks

Pearsandapples · 10/10/2016 10:27

I just realised this is AIBU, obviously not the right forum. Would the thread I have in mind best sit in EU referendum or elsewhere?

frumpet · 10/10/2016 10:37

Bill have had a good look through the ' do not throw ' paperwork pile , only thing was the standard data collection form ? Perhaps different LEA's are sending it out at different times ?

Definately didn't have to supply birth certificate when youngest started school , again perhaps a LEA thing or maybe a bit hopeless at administration thing for school ?

GreenandWhite · 11/10/2016 08:05

Hey look! The tories are using Nazi comparisons re Russia.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37614554

interesting way to deflect from your own tarnished image?

TheElementsSong · 12/10/2016 07:25

mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/785951211522433024/photo/1

I look forward to hearing how this front page is just a misunderstanding of the gentlest and most tender sentiments, and scaremongering by Remoaners.

BombadierFritz · 12/10/2016 08:27

I like how the government is encouraging mass protests outside embassies. not a technique associated with various dictatorships and fascist regimes at all, thank goodness. nothing to see here.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree · 12/10/2016 08:40

Ah. Us remoaners need silencing now, do we. Goodo. So much for democracy. Hmm

GreenandWhite · 12/10/2016 08:45

Just as anti-EU politicians have kept silent for 4 decades after joining the EEC?

GreenandWhite · 12/10/2016 08:46

TheElement, the silencing of the opposition is reminiscent of Erdogan politics isn't it?

TheElementsSong · 12/10/2016 08:47

Us remoaners need silencing now, do we.

To be fair, Under, our democracy-loving fellow citizens of the opposing voting persuasion have been extremely consistent on this point since June 24.

GreenandWhite · 12/10/2016 08:59

Imagine if we continue in this way, soon any criticism of government or government representatives will be shot down as unpatriotic as it would tarnish the UK's image. I then wonder what impact this might have on the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse Cases...

TheElementsSong · 12/10/2016 09:02

Now Green that's just scaremongering and hysteria!

VanillaSugarandChristmasSpice · 12/10/2016 09:56

Democracy is dead in this country. Just look at the government's reaction to fracking.

48/52 split for Brexit: "The people have spoken"

Fracking votes & protests : "Sod off, we're going to push through anyway."

I'm white, middle England, middle class and I am now getting thoroughly pissed off with government.

TheElementsSong · 12/10/2016 10:01

It's all deeply ironic on a long thread which has been accused of itself being "totalitarian" isn't it?

EllyMayClampett · 12/10/2016 11:18

Should Theresa May call a snap election to gain a mandate?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/10/2016 11:26

Should Theresa May call a snap election to gain a mandate?

If she did, at the moment she would win by a huge landslide.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 12/10/2016 11:41

Agree Piglet (as so often do) she would win back voters that switched to UKIP, middle/swing voters she is covering all grounds apart from the far left

We could even see LibDems being not far behind labour as the third party

Peregrina · 12/10/2016 11:42

She might win by a landslide by picking up disaffected Labour voters. What no one really seems to be asking is how many moderate Tories has TM alienated? I was talking to some the other day, and they are absolutely furious about what she is doing.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 12/10/2016 11:43

But would they vote Labour

I doubt it maybe LibDems

Peregrina · 12/10/2016 11:48

The ones I was talking to had joined the LibDems.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 12/10/2016 11:52

So have quite a few Labour supporters so it seems

Come a general election will people feeling voting LibDem is a wasted vote and return to the party they usually support

I guess it is what is turning people away and how May deals with that. for labour and the tories it is two very different issues