To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

I sincerely hope you're right.

The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

I'd say Britain First rather than the BNP, a group so bigoted that even the BNP long ago distanced themselves from them. At last check they had around 1.4 million followers on Facebook (the Conservative and Labour parties official FB pages have approx half a million each).

Theresa May has just suggested that companies publishe the percentage of non-British workers they employ.

And then the pack of dickheads I mention above will start doing things like storming the offices of companies who don't "support British workers" or picketing outside branches/offices and encouraging their followers to do the same, like they currently do with mosques.

Hermione, I know. So do the French. I have a number of French friends who are baffled by our idea of "right wing."

France's right wing party (centre-right) Les Républicains is to the left of our Labour party.

Meanwhile Marie Le Pen is dead impressed with Brexit.

Oh I'm sure it will all be done in a reasonable way, the MSM will be fully behind it. Follow my train of thought

Companies made to report how many 'forriners' they employ.
Forrin workers then are ostracised because they're taking the job of locals.
Job security what is left of it goes.
Landlords, banks, schools will need to make checks on your right to be in the country and refuse you service and report you (oh wait )
MSM gets behind the campaign to help forriners those that choose to wear the red crescent (or other bollocks to that effect) are safe to stay because they are willing to identify themselves because if youve got nothing to hide why be afraid right?

I hope I'm wrong tho tbh

bicycle one of the conservatives pledges at the last GE was billions for our system of socialised medicine. No US party would dare to even suggest that.

Prior to Corbyn anyway, God knows where it's going to end up now other than out of power.

I suspect (hope!) that most of Britain First's followers are there to watch, goad and mock or naive types who think it's a patriotic movement.

Yanbu. The MN remainers are obsessed with the comparison. Every other post in the EU referendum topic. I think your 1980's comparison is much more accurate.

I was chided for holding my own children to a higher standard than random strangers on another thread just yesterday - the underlying accusation, of course, was elitism.

Fascism comes from both the right and the left.

A lot of Britain First posts are innocuous enough.

A picture of a starved dog with 'people who mistreat animals are scum! Share if you agree!' and the like. A bit pedestrian and virtue signalling (sharing a photo does nothing to help animals) but certainly not something the majority of people would associate with a far right movement.

I suspect (hope!) that most of Britain First's followers are there to watch, goad and mock or naive types who think it's a patriotic movement.

I hope it too but then I encounter people who openly support them and think they have the right idea

I don't think the current government came to power through populist propaganda. UKIP, possibly but they aren't in power.

The Brexit vote was won through populist propaganda and outright lies. Now the cabinet is involved in an executive power grab from parliament. And as Orwell famously observed, no-one seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it.

Manon

You do not know what won the Brexit vote; you cannot know unless you speak to every single Leave voter.

You mean - you saw the Leave campaign and assumed people based their vote entirely on this.

The insistence that somehow prior to June 23 we were a liberal and tolerant country who changed overnight and are now sleepwalking into an atmosphere that will see one of the worst genocides in history is bonkers, it really is.

If there weren't any comparisons to be made nobody would be making them.

I'm getting quite scared now and I'm British. I've heard so much racism lately. Have people been holding it all in since the 80s?

The right are always trying to control political discourse and narrative. They did it in the 80's with socialism. After the referendum remain voters were denounced as undemocratic, unpatriotic and sabotaging (talking down) the economy. The right are doing it now by playing the victim card - "the nasty lefties are calling us fascists but we're really centre ground!"

Clearly I am wrong then and in less than a decade we shall see mass murder, torture, brutality and genocide on a scale not seen since the 1930s.

I will no longer let the lack of moustache fool me. May = hitler. Any differences are merely coincidental.

One of the reasons we learn history is to learn from it and to see early the warning signs that we may end up repeating the bad things.

Having the discussion that people are seeing warning signs is a good thing, it doesn't mean they are always right so others are free to argue with their view but the discussion is important.

A lot of Britain First posts are innocuous enough.

They're really not. This is their mission statement.

Do you share our vision of Britain where pensioners don’t freeze in winter, where billions of our money doesn’t get sent abroad in foreign aid, where crime is stamped out, where British history and discipline is taught in schools, where sexual degeneracy is not the norm but the exception, where jobs go to British workers and where the United Kingdom is united and strong?

This is their manifesto www.britainfirst.org/policies-2/

And always the same period in history and the same country. Never comparisons to America, Ancient Rome, Russia, Spain.

Always Germany, always 1930s. Always one of the worst genocides in history, resulting in the deaths of six million people.

You misunderstand me Bears

BF have a habit of photographs being shared on Facebook and the like that people share without having a clue who they are.

I doubt many people know or care about what you shared above, they just mindlessly click 'like'.

So are you claiming that the Leave campaign had zero impact?

And when it's generally agreed that the Leave campaign was more effective you believe that no-one who voted Leave was influenced by it?

That people who quote their reasons for leaving as 'taking back contol' 'parliamentary sovereignty' and 'immigration' were echoing the Leave campaign purely by coincidence? Or that the people who say they voted Leave because the campaign was better are lying?

Surely you're intelligent enough to understand the comparisons with 30s Germany with the awareness that, luckily, we don't apparently have a bunch of genocidal maniacs waiting in the wings?

I think it's a perfect analogy. Mainly because nearly every person is aware of Nazism and there are people who lived through it.

Obviously, you could compare it to Stalin or North Korea, but Nazism is far more known. Everybody knows that the Nazis started out small with pockets of support but were voted into power and they didn't become a dictatorship overnight, it was gradual.

This is what is happening to our country now. That is why people are making the comparisons. If you support them, fine, but I for one as a Jewish person will not allow a country to go the same way Germany did in the 1930s, I'll fight until my dying breath to stop that happening.

Lol. This thread is fucking hilarious. Nazis my arse.

I don't think May=Hitler at all. I don't think she's about to start an expansionist crusade throughout Europe, or cause a WW, but this is a dangerous time politically, and not like the 80's at all. You're just comparing her to Thatcher, and the labour party to the disastrous labour party of the 80's - which is fair enough.

But people who are talking about it being like Germany in the 30's are looking at the political and economic climate as a whole, and the rise of nationalism/xenophobia all over Europe, and it is frighteningly comparable.

And as I said, the reason Germany in the 30s is picked is because it is the most appropriate comparison to what is happening right now. All the problems are being blamed on a scapegoat and the mainstream political parties are shifting to keep up with the rise of far-right parties like UKIP. This is what happened in Germany. All this will do is allow someone like UKIP to take control in a few years, when voters will say "Well UKIP are like the Tories but tougher, so let's have a go at them" and because there'll be a precedent set of stuff like the foreign workers list, nobody will pipe up when UKIP push other things through.

Germany have learnt their mistake and won't let it happen again. Considering we won the bloody war you'd think we'd have learnt as well. But I suppose when your country has never lived under a dictatorship, you can't spot the signs.