To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

Getting but it will be too late by then... Those of us who see what's happening need to raise awareness now surely?

I have to say that I'm beyond grateful that our children, while entitled to UK passports, currently only officially belong to traditionally peaceful/neutral countries. Until a few months ago I never thought I'd say this, but I'm so glad my sons can't be submitted to conscription because I now think this will happen in our lifetime.

What does whipping up fear and trying to connect what is happening now to the past actually achieve

I don't agree that it's whipping up fear. It is learning from historical precedent, and there have been some excellent writings on this. I read "the Nazis. A warning from History" by Lawrence Rees many years ago. And I am a fairly normal married mum of 3, I'm not an academic or a historian. But you don't forget that book once you've read it.

Plus who hasn't heard "Those that cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it."

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And people can jump up and down all they like, protesting that it's like the 80s rather than the 30s. The facts speak for themselves. It's the 30s all over again.

Many foreigners, even if they receive a visa, are expected to register with the police already.

www.gov.uk/register-with-the-police

In the case of non-EEA immigrants, the government already gathers stats on foreign employees hired with UK companies, issues them with Tier 2 visas, and maintains what is known as the "Shortage Occupation List."

I am hearing quite a lot of hysteria over stuff which, believe it or not, has been normal for some time--or, in many cases, normal for non-EEA.

I live in a country where we immigrants get ID carded and fingerprinted (!!). It is tiresome and sometimes insulting, but I don't spend my time upsetting my daughter by hinting that her mother is about to be kicked out of the country or sent to a concentration camp or something.

Oh and... remember this?

I'm just saying.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ed-miliband-promises-new-immigration-measures-to-protect-british-workers-7876158.html

"Ed Miliband today promised new measures to prevent British people being "locked out" of jobs by foreign workers, including forcing firms to declare if they employ high numbers of immigrants. Overseas-only employment agencies would be banned and an early-warning system set up to highlight areas where locals are "dominated" by an influx of overseas labour under the proposals. While there cannot be set quotas on home-grown workers, urgent action is required to identify where British jobseekers need better training to compete, the Labour leader said."

What facts

That we have just elected a Muslim mayor for our biggest city

That racism isn't tolerated in our broadcasting, sports

That we deal with racism that is present in our judicial system and police force with enquirers to progress forward

That we have laws against racism

That we are rounding people up and sending them away to camps

I feel like I have been transported back to staying with my dsis at Leeds uni circa 1979! Let's all fight the system and god help us all.

In my defence I was 17.

And the Oscar for the most dramatic post in this thread and alerting the world to the rise of Naziism in Britain goes to itsawomderfulworld

Good grief get a grip!

I wonder when you'll notice, housewivesshit? This year, next year, sometime, never. Are you denying it could happen, or supporting it, I wonder? Bit of a Farage-babe perhaps? I'd like to know whose posts I'm reading. Just plain denial doesn't give me much info.

I guess a person's opinion on the subject varies depending on their position in society.
If you're one of the people targeted by the media, and oppressed by the government, and you've got any idea of history, modern or otherwise, you'll have a different outlook to someone who isn't.

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Am 51 and a life long Labour Party member. I grew up in Handsworth Birmingham which is as multi cultural as you can get. I spent my teenage years leafleting for labour and trained as a nurse. I worked in areas as a district nurse that would make your hair curl.

My British born black fiancée was beaten to a pulp for dating a white girl and I was injured trying to help him. We split,

I have brought up 4 kids and we have survived 3 recessions, 1 house re possession good times and unemployment. I am now a carer for my DM who has altzimers and help with my grand children.

So I probably have more experience of life in my little finger than you have babe what ever that means?

I also lived through the Wilson Heath/foot/thatcher/Blair/ major/ years and hsve never felt so depressed as I do now with labour.

So there you go love. Nope no farrage babe here

You sound so young?

I'm not one targeted by the media, or oppressed by the government.

I'm a married mum of 3 in the SE, in a high earning family (top 3%). I just have some intelligence.

I voted remain but come to think of it, we cant be any worse than some of them.

33% of voters in Austria voted for the Austrian Freedom party (FPÖ), headed up by Norbert Hofer, who wears the blue cornflower, a symbol associated with the Nazis.

In France, the Front National is gaining popularity.

In Germany, polls show the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany is gaining voters.

Hungary is ruled by an authoritarian rightwing government. Around a fifth of Hungarians support the far right, antisemitic Jobbik party.

Poland is currently banning abortion completely.

Two thirds of the Slovenian people voted to repeal a law allowing gay marriage.

And we somehow think Britain will become like the Nazi party because of Brexit. The far right is gaining popularity everywhere.

As for keeping quotas and records of foreign workers: far worse goes on across the EU. I went to Slovenia for a hiking, mountain, white water canoe holiday for a week. Slovenia is an EU country, adopted the Euro, part of the Schengen area, blah blah. Yet, it is a requirement to carry your passport at all times and all foreign nationals, including EU citizens, visiting Slovenia have to register with the police within 3 days of arrival or risk paying a fine. I mean FFS what did they think I was going to do? A British woman on a canoe holiday?

Imagine the uproar if we started making all visitors register with the police, even tourists from the EU? And yet lots of countries do it.

I wish I was young. I had the same ideals when I was, funnily enough.

Top 3% and intelligent.

..you sound delightful.

Yup, intelligent being the benchmark in seeing how damaging the brexit vote is to all of us, our communities, our EU workers, the North, Scotland, N Ireland, London, our economy, even Boston, Lincs when the Nissan factory buggers off, which it will if we leave the EU single market. I even have a qashqai.

Intelligent being the bottom line in seeing the rise of the far right and the comparison to 30's Germany. Rather than denying it.

Oh, and Cornwall and Wales, who will lose all their community EU subsidies and have not a hope in hell of getting anything them from the govt, despite the Referendum promises. Oh, and where's that £350m the NHS is going to get??

I distinctly remember seeing a bus saying the NHS would get £350m...?

Anti immigrant views in Germany and Western Europe existed way before the 1930's I guess what we are seeing is the 1920's in slow mo. We had a big crash (1920's crash, 2007s crash). Lots of people are unhappy and need a blame scapegoat which in effect is immigrants. We are not at the nazi party level yet but my god are we getting there.

TM has pledged to make employers accountable for taking on illegal workers for cheap wages which I think is right. In order to do this she needs to know who is employing who, no-one has said anything about anyone having a right to live and work here having to leave, in fact she gave an assurance a few weeks ago that that wouldnt happen - there is a lot of frenzy whipping going on over on the EU board which is not helping people.
I firmly believe that what swayed the leave vote was not what was on the side of a bus or any one thing said by Boris/Farage et al. but by Germany's Angela Merkel's shortsighted and misguided decision to throw open the doors of Europe to an unquantified number of people without putting the infrastructure or provision in place beforehand for the Countries affected or the people arriving. She may have been trying to appease for her Country's past but all it has brought is unrest across Europe and a rise in political parties with some very dubious policies and sound bites (by her actions she has put Europe in a very precarious position). I think what is going on in the rest of Europe is much more cause for concern and the up-coming elections in France/Germany will be very telling. What is going on in this country is nothing like 1930's Germany.

YANBU OP, my Twitter feed is full of it.

I think people are completely missing the point.

Legit employers already have lists of staff including all their vital info and these will be used simply for control stats. I think the real targets are single-ethnicity companies and companies employing illegal immigrants.

Absent a proper ID card system as used almost everywhere else in Europe without hysterical comparisons, we are reduced to gathering stats in more creative ways.

The idea that any of our small l liberal politicians in any mainstream party will be using these to march EU workers, second-generation immigrants (I am one) etc out of Britain is risible. Just the standard whack a Tory shite people engage in rather than trying to address actual problems (e.g. illegal immigration, disengagement of indigenous workforce, wages racing to the bottom etc).

PS I voted Remain though think EU far from perfect.

My brother works in the prison system in Australia as a chaplain. He just told me now that lots of US style prisons are being built at the moment. They have axed the education program and even charities are not allowed to offer rehabilitation services. Crime has gone down but he said arrests have skyrocketed and now those arrested have to prove why they deserve bail and it's mostly not given. I believe the same is happening across the UK and Europe. I think the comparisons are valid and very, very worrying.

You mean, Rudd's Yellow Star lists don't resemble those glorious times?

I am British, I live abroad in a non EU country on a dependant visa. It needs to be renewed every two years. If my DH decided to divorce me, or he dies, my DC and I have 8 days to leave the country. If he loses his job, we have to leave. We have been finger printed and DNA swabbed. It is illegal to not carry your ID card. We are banned from buying property and there is a system in place based on ethnicity that is linked to rights to 'vote' and healthcare provision. I can work but I do not have a work visa as my company has to prove that a local can't be found to do my job and they can't. I encountered quite a lot of racism when I was looking for work. My DH had to take a series of exams to be allowed to do his job and there are tests in place for many professions to prevent foreigners from entering the work force. These laws, rules etc are quite normal and standard in many countries. People in the UK have NO IDEA what it is like out there in the 'real' world. 1930's/ Nazism? Please get a grip, most of the world's population have no human rights and no democracy. Grow up.