To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

Those places in the south and west which returned Lib Dem candidates before the Coalition, especially the Remain constituencies, could return a LibDem candidate again. Where I am, Oxfordshire, a Labour vote is a wasted vote.

May and her three stooges, between them, do seem to be going out of their way to anger or upset a lot of people. Foreigners - not welcome, business people - lazy golf players, MPs asking for a debate i.e. doing their jobs - dismissed as wanting to micromanage. (A bit rich that coming from TM).

Yes I think they could

There is a lot of infighting within the Tories at the moment I think she is probably wanting to her party in better order before going to an election

Unless things go absolutely drastically wrong and we hit another recession like 2008 the Tories will win the next election and they will not want to start dealing with Brexit then hand it over so I think she will work on getting swing and middle voters

the Tories will win the next election and they will not want to start dealing with Brexit then hand it over......

I am not so sure of that - if it becomes clear that Brexit can't happen without upsetting significant interest groups they might be glad to. Wasn't the 1992 election seen as a good one for Labour to lose, so come 2020 whoever is PM might well feel the same?

Come a general election will people feeling voting LibDem is a wasted vote and return to the party they usually support

Yes it would be around here.

Very likely however to go from Labour to Tory, if Corbyn stays.

I think she would win too. I wonder why she doesn't do it. From her perspective she would likely have a greater majority and a mandate to handle Brexit as she likes.

Perhaps she doesn't do it for the good of the country? I know it is unfashionable to think that politicians are anything but craven, but perhaps she really doesn't think it is in Britain's best interests at the moment, because it certainly would be in her interest.

That's true they might want to pass the mess over but I think they are stuck with it as there is no chance that Labour will win unless they form a coalition with the LibDems and I can't see Corbyn and McDonnell doing that

At least Labour have at last pushed for answers on Brexit plans though Corbyn has been extremely quiet in the last few weeks

I can't see Corbyn and McDonnell doing that

Or Tim Farron. He isn't exactly complementary about Corbyn.

(As an aside and to Bill, who didn't believe in the spike of hate crimes after the referendum. I couldn't let anyone deny the rise in tensions because I had felt them myself.)

'The number of hate crimes leaped by 41% in the month after the vote to leave the European Union, new Home Office statistics confirm.
A daily breakdown of the hate crime offences reported to the police showed the number of incidents doubled in the days after the referendum. The level peaked at 207 incidents on 1 July, twice as many as before the vote, when the level was already unusually high.
In July, there were 5,468 hate crimes – 41% higher than July 2015. A Home Office report on the data noted that the “sharp increase” in hate crime was not replicated in equivalent offences at the time.'
And later:

'Last month, Britain’s most senior police officer, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, said the “horrible spike” in hate crime after the vote was at least partly linked to the referendum.
A survey by the Guardian found that European embassies in Britain had logged dozens of incidents of suspected hate crime and abuse against their citizens since the referendum.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/13/hate-crimes-eu-referendum-home-office-figures-confirm?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Hope that link works - it's from today.

No way should May call an election before 2020. She will want this term plus 5 years after so best to continue until 2020 and she how she feels then about another 5 years.

Doubt you'll get a response Fawful.

YY Elements I just didn't want this thread to stay on MN with the unchallenged assertion that there had been no rise in tensions. I'm happy with no answers!

Also Fawful how the prolific posters have no doubt been too busy to read the (IMO, being totally biased of course) outrageous Mail and Express headlines earlier this week. I had so been looking forward to reassurance that despite the superficial resemblance to rhetoric from certain quarters during a particular period of the 20th century, it was all a misunderstanding of the highest and noblest sentiments, entirely due to my own paranoia and hysteria.

How about this from, apparently, a councillor, i.e. having access to governing power albeit on a local level:

twitter.com/CllrHolliday/status/787207171335479296

Amend the Treason Felony Act to make supporting UK membership of the EU a crime.

The Treason Felony Act be amended to include the following offences:
'To imagine, devise, promote, work, or encourage others, to support UK becoming a member of the European Union;
To conspire with foreign powers to make the UK, or part of the UK, become a member of the EU.'

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/school-children-believe-all-immigrants-12033607#ICID=FB-Chron-main

As a leaver, I can unequivocally say that Christian Holiday does not speak for me, and I hope he will be held to account by his party for what he has been advocating.

His comments amount to hate speech in my opinion, more so than what he proposes as a 'hate crime'.

I would like to think that most leavers are of the same opinion.

*of the same opinion as me that is, not him.

I went to my 5 yr old Grandsons school for the first time a few months ago - the school had developed their own song and when they all sang it I had a sudden vision of the Hitler Youth singing The future belongs to me from Cabaret.

I cant remember the whole thing but it was definitely getting the children to state they all shared the same values and all wanted the same things and how they all enjoyed school.

It actually scared me!

Fascism is not just about Race Discrimination.

As a leaver, I can unequivocally say that Christian Holiday does not speak for me

Thank you for speaking up Mango and yes I very much hope that most share your view.

[The idea you have to pretend you like school is pretty obnoxious and sing a song saying you love it. It sounds like all Hail to the Dear North Korean Leader who does no wrong and does not even defecate so his people think. Children should be able to be different. One boy got a detention at my sons' school for asking a member of the House of Lords about MP expenses claims - I wasn't there so don't know if he asked in a difficult or nasty way but it did seem to my teenage son a bit of an affront to free speech (nothing to do with EU members or not of course)

Really me? That is shocking. I thought children are taught to question and think critically? Clear not

Particularly the speaker was partly there to answer questions and it was bright teenage school boys in the audience. I wasn't there so I only heard about it second hand but it seemed so much against free speech my son came home and mentioned it in that context.

Would it be appropriate to resurrect this thread for a lovely little picture?