To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

Jessica: "Because immigrants haven't been compared to rats,"

So you've missed this then?
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In the DM, less than a year ago. Wake up!

And after seeing the speech today, I'm bloody glad I applied for my Irish citizenship last week. At least if this country falls to fascists like May, Farage and the even further right, I can leave. My family did it before, I never thought we'd have to do it again.

The parallels are there for everyone to see. I am sorry if that bothers you OP.

The party in government is blaming a group for long-term social and economical problems - partly to hide the party's blame in causing or worsening those problems.

The group itself has not broken any laws. They are people who work alongside the rest of the population and are subject to the same laws.

The government wants companies to keep a tally of people in this group. Companies that employ people in this group will be named and shamed; they have to be "flushed out" and need to be pushed towards "good behaviour".

Stoking hatred and spreading lies about that group has become politically acceptable, indeed dizzyingly popular.

Can you really not see it OP? Xenophobia is very very real in the UK and has been given a stamp of approval by the government.

It's only a matter of time before we have more crimes of hatred - Jo Cox, that poor Polish man that was beaten to death on a high street. You can flame me if you want but hatred is in the air. This government is playing a very dangerous game, causing real damage to society that will be very difficult to undo.

I don't read the Mail.

I suppose if you do, then you are more likely to see propaganda you don't like.

I mean, seriously the Mail is pretty famous for it, isn't it? So don't read it.

Ohto

I think there is a wedge of xenophobia in some streams of society, yes.

I think this has been true whenever there has been a surge in population of immigrants of a certain race or place. In the 50s it was those of an Afro Caribbean heritage: in the 70s, those of an Asian/Pakistani background.

I think then racism was FAR worse and while it is never something I will condone, that is why I find the comparisons to 1930s Germany utterly ridiculous - which is not the same as condoning everything done by either the media or the government.

I don't think the current government came to power through populist propaganda. UKIP, possibly but they aren't in power.

I beg to differ. UKIP may only have one MP, but every single one of Farage's policies is being implemented by May & co. Farage is laughing all the way to the US (on his way to coach Trump for the next presidential debates).

What's happening in Europe is very, very serious indeed. We've helped unleash fascist powers that are spreading like wildfire. I used to believe Western Europe would stay peaceful for mine and my children's lifetimes - I sadly no longer believe this. History strongly suggests otherwise. So yes, the most apt comparison is to Germany in the 1930s. Read your History, please, before it's too late.

Yes, yes, clearly very stupid I see the error of my ways and I'm sorry for the genocide we are about to experience

Nakatomi's right, you're an idiot. I'm out.

A wedge of xenophobia in some sections?

No, it's fucking everywhere. I'm sorry, but you are clearly not wanting to see it. It's OK, bury your head in the sand, but you'll regret it one day in the future when you appear on one of the lists for one reason or another.

As I said on the other thread, I had two foreign students in floods of tears today because they fear their parents are going to have their names plastered everywhere because they're foreign and work in the NHS. They are terrified they won't be able to finish their stories. That's not on and I was having to fight back the tears myself when I explained to them that they had nothing to worry about, that people wouldn't let that happen.

I had to lie. To children. Truth is, I couldn't tell them the truth, because I don't know for sure that those things won't happen.

That's why it's not the 80s. In the 80s there was casual racism yes, but immigrants as a whole were not being blamed for society's problems. It was the working class then and they suffered massively for it. Basically, the scapegoats of history never recover, and that's just how the government want it.

Once they've got rid of immigrants, it'll be the disabled. Then gay people. Then a certain religion and that's why it's the 1930s.

I'm sorry that you can't see it, but why would you? You're outside of their sights... for now.

The government wants companies to keep a tally of people in this group. Companies that employ people in this group will be named and shamed; they have to be "flushed out" and need to be pushed towards "good behaviour".

Not quite though is it, your using the extreme example, there are many instances where companies have been solely advertising abroad for staff, or being able to speak polish is a pre requisit to work in a factory, so you could say it's combatting that extreme

*studies. Not stories. Point still stands.

Justanotherlurker

You can wrap it up any way you want. But the point is that, eventually, there'll be the requirement that all foreign workers are listed and the list has to be available to the public.

Say it's combatting whatever you want, but it's not. They're having policies like this to capture the right wingers who want all immigrants to have an eye kept on them.

The next step will be a centralised "immigrant" database with the address of every single foreign born worker, with their address, contact details etc. And as soon as a crime is committed, they'll be the first port of call, and you know it.

AH, OP is clearly a Guardian reader, yes? The Mail, The Express, The Sun - papers with a wide readership all have this anti -crap in them- anti-poor people, anti-immigrant, anti-disabled. Many people read them, people that vote.

How do you think the rise of National Socialism happened in Germany?? You think the Germans living through the 30's and 40's were all intrinsically horribly evil or something? Do you think the Nazis wrote 'we will put the jews, homosexuals and political dissenters in camps and murder them' on their manifesto? No - they gained political power, they demonised them first. They took away their rights. That is beginning to happen now, in a subtle, clever, pernicious way.

jessica. Will dig out my puff ball skirt and fergie bow

Really people the DM?

under it was actually a Tory government who introduced gay marriage!

Personally I fear corbyns racist mysogynistic hench men more than Theresa.

I trust the Tories will be chasing the tax avoiding firms with the same vigour as they intend to shame the foreign worker employing companies.

Realhousewivesofshit

A coalition government that had to force the Tory part of their MPs to vote to allow it. A coalition government led by a moderate Tory and a Lib Dem.

Theresa May was not elected. She is not a moderate. She does not have the Lib Dems influencing her. She is a fascist. She has flip flopped on gay marriage several times and voted against lowering the age of consent to 16 for gay people. She also voted against repealing Section 28.

actually what's wrong with us as a country knowing who is here?

There's a census for citizens so what's wrong with registering workers from abroad?

Surely that helps uncover and interrupt slavery, exploitation of women and girls brought here and forced to work as prostitutes, missing persons, etc?

Currently in our cabinet we have:

Theresa May, who voted against repealing Section 28 and voted against lowering the age of consent to 16, voted against allowing same sex couples to adopt and during her time at the home office, LGBT asylum seekers were forced to "prove it" and in some cases were told that they couldn't be gay because "they had kids."

Andrea Leadsom, who thinks Gay marriage is "disgusting" and has "ruined marriage for Christians." She also believes childless women aren't as good at their jobs, and that fox hunting should be allowed.

Boris Johnson, who thinks Section 28 was a "good thing" and that repealing it would mean "left wing councils to waste taxpayers' money on homosexual instruction" and that legalising gay marriage would lead to people marrying "their brothers or their dogs".

Need I go on?

David Cameron introduced gay marriage, and many tories were against it, and thought DC and the coalition far too socially liberal for their liking, thank you very much.

Theresa May is far more right wing than DC - but we're not really talking about her as an individual prime minister - we're talking about the rise of nationalism throughout UK and Europe - and the comparisons of the political and economic climate with Germany in the 30's - combined with the demonisation of certain sections of society - which is happening whether people want to to see it or not. It has been brought to the fore in Britain through the rise of UKIP, and the Brexit vote. And it's not hysterical, for reasons that have already been stated. It's frightening.

YANBU talk of the Torys been like Nazis is ridiculous!

The Philippines has a new leader under his watch which has last 2-3 months over 3000 drug addicts/pushers have been murdered, with his approval.

He has compared himself to Hitler and said he would happy if the countries 3 million drug addicts were slaughtered.

He has told Obama to go to hell and he would be happy to get his supplies from Russia or China.

The Philippines have a big problem, we're doing fine.

There's a census for citizens so what's wrong with registering workers from abroad?

There's a census for everyone in the UK. Not just for citizens.

Realhousewivesofshit

Because a census isn't information that is available to everyone. These lists will be.

A census is every 10 years, whereas these are going to be updated regularly.

I can guarantee it's going to get used for other purposes.

Nakatomi, do you seriously believe all this rhetoric that you type? I mean actually seriously?

How old are your students that were 'in floods of tears'? And what are these stories that they 'may not finish'?

nakatomi

She is elected as we elect a party not a president.

Mind you you totally lost any sense and credibility when you called her a fascist

Please don't ever spout this crap to a person of the Jewish faith or a survivor or WW2 Japanese camps will you! One was in my family and now dead while inlaws still here and they fear Corby far far more than May.

You need to calm down and really look at the facts.

It's very easy to get carried away with the majority on social media but you do need to stop and think seriously before you call anyone a supporter of Hitler.

You can't guarantee anything dear as you can't even show your class a speech by an elected democratic politician without them bursting into tears!

If you taught my kids I would be complaining that you need a sensible TA to help you.

RealityCheque

Well done for not reading my correction. I meant studies, not stories.

These kids were 13/14.

And yes, I do believe this "rhetoric" because it's not rhetoric, it's the truth.