To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

Oh and immigration doesn't keep wages down either.

The Bank of England report that was much cited in the referendum run up shows that a 10 percentage point increase in immigrants working in low paid jobs ( not 10% increase), causes a 1.8% decrease in wages. However, even at the highest points of net migration the increase into these jobs only went up 7 percentage points, which would indicate that this would cause a 1.2 percent decrease in wages for the lowest paid, which is fairly marginal, on the minimum wage it works out as a difference of £3 a week.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/09/plan-to-force-firms-to-reveal-foreign-staff-numbers-abandoned

Plan to force firms to reveal foreign staff numbers abandoned by "don't call me a racist" Amber Rudd. What shall we call her?

Margo Yes, it is regulation now. But all the British building firms use a very sizeable portion of Polish workers still. Their work ethic is very good. They no longer have to recruit from overseas since Poland joined EU.

However, for the EU women there are agencies for cleaners, chambermaids, etc that deal only with EU women, no English on their books.

I think it's scandalous how women are treated once they get work. Those who get jobs in hotels (whether direct or thru an agency) are docked one weeks' pay by the domestics manager, the woman who interviewe dthem, who pockets the money. This is standard practice back home because it is seen as a 'gift' for being appointed.

Just asked my Polish DIL if thats common practice in Poland.

She said no.

BTW the buidling trade said that they wouldn't be able operate at the same level without immigrant builders and it would result in higher costs being passed on to the consumer.

It's 36% of the population. That isn't massive.

Labour's landslide election in 1997 only had the votes of 23% of the population!

Lets remember that not all the population can or will vote. But it's just plain silly to pretend that voter turn out was too low or that the vote was too tight. Voter turnout was high enough that a 4% spread between Leave and Stay was enough to be confident in the majority count.

These things cut both ways. If you delegitimise this vote on the basis of not enough turnout, you delegitimise the last 30 years of politics.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/07/theresa-may-is-following-enoch-powell--by-actually-listening-to/

And here's the link to Heffers orgasm in the Telegraph about T May being like Enoch Powell. Cheerful stuff, that. Not shrieking or scaremongering. Read for yourself.

smallfox You said your DIL is a professional. I am speaking of hotel cleaners and chambermaids - she would know nothing about that area of work.

It's a system unknown to us in GB. In Ukraine, for example, if you or a relative has to go into hospital you will receive the basic of care. But if you pay the doctor something on the side, and the main nurses, you/your relative will be attended to much better.

Smirnoffka - those are appalling practices and I agree it's not right. But this is about unscrupulous employers, hardly the fault of the workers. And if it's already regulation about firms going through a proper process to recruit, why is Don't Call Me A Racist Amber Rudd bringing it up now? If not to stoke up hatred and paranoia. But you know, we are in the wrong to point it out. It's ok for the Nasty Party to foment tensions and hate.

Smirnoff thank you, just tried to find the posts and there are a bunch of deleted ones. I will take your word for it.

If you delegitimise this vote on the basis of not enough turnout, you delegitimise the last 30 years of politics

Does that mean that Tony Blair's govt would never have existed?! Yipee.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/09/woman-hijab-pulled-down-london-haringey-racially-motivated-attack

Racially motivated attack. Someone will be along in a minute to explain why it doesn't actually matter in the grand scheme of spikes and things.

"You said your DIL is a professional. I am speaking of hotel cleaners and chambermaids - she would know nothing about that area of work."

Why because everyone is born a professional and only works their professional field ever?

Its not a common practice in Poland, in any level of work.

Have any of your read some of the TEN Cologne threads? She must have been very shaken. However distressing this was, thank god it was not a sex attack. I have had obscenities shouted at me because of my colour (white). We have NY 2017 coming up and I think there will be fewer EU women out on the streets. Though I hope the German women have more courage and actually more of them go out to celebrate.

Smirnoffka - I haven't read the Cologne threads. Why do you feel the need to bring this up? Is it a way of minimising what's happening here, in your own country, with your homegrown shitheaded twats that think it's ok to racially abuse someone? Of course it's not as bad as rape. But that's not relevant.

So you are dismissing it because it wasn't a sex attack and the conflating an unrelated event ?

That's the sound of a barrel being scraped.

No ducky, I am not comparing or conflating. I am putting this into perspective and wondering why you think the knocking off of her hijab has anything to do with Brexit. It may well be religiously motivated, but do you think those two guys have even heard of Brexit?

smallfox You seem totally unable to discuss anything. You're like a schoolyard bully - calling people names. You remind me of an attack dog.

Well, the increase in race related incidents has occured following the brexit vote, there is a correlation.

You did conflate, this was a seperate incident being discussed in context of the thread, you conflated an unrelated set of attacks, in another country. You haven't attempted to get perspective, you attempted to dismiss it by saying its not as bad.

Ducky? Amazing that one so lacking in intellect could attempt to be so patronising.

Smirnoffka - I didn't say they did cos of Brexit. This was about an increase in racially motivated attacks since Brexit. Because now scummy idiots think it's ok. I mean, if Theresa May is the new Enoch Powell (see the telegraph) why the hell not?

Oh the irony of that last post smirnoff.

Really self awareness is not your strong point is it?

Wow, attack dog with bells on.

I've been racially abused several times, as have some women of my acquaintance. What do I correlate that to? If you live in a big city that's bound to happen.

" Though I hope the German women have more courage and actually more of them go out to celebrate."

Even if they happen to live in England? Are you saying you will find it acceptable for German women to have more courage and actually more of them go out to celebrate in London, Birmingham, Manchester? Speaking German with their friends? Or is it only ok for the to enjoy the freedom and celebrate life in their native country? What if they have British husband?

Green - I do not even understand your statement. If you have not heard of the Cologne incident, then I can't help you.

Smirnoffka - I was wondering when someone would start bringing up the thoroughly nasty and bigot cologne threads. There certainly seems to be a crossover between the xenophobes on there and the xenophobes on here. Right down to the rejection of being called xenophobes, even if they don't condemn a single xenophobic utterance, but happily support their views with likely madeup anecdotes and stereotypes about the people they so despise. Whilst denying or minimising anything that's committed by their allies

Smirnoffka - racial abuse shouldn't be a given, just because you live in a big city. Not a given if you live in a helmet. That's not acceptable. If you think it is, when it happened to you, I can only imagine your original country is far, far worse. We're aiming to be more civilised, not less. Time to put aside some of your cultural norms IMO.