To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

Oh and I'm not conflating issues, I was responding to another poster mentioning race crimes which these are.

Are the disgusting events of Rotherham meant to prove or disprove the thread premise? I wholeheartedly condemn what's happening in Rotherham but I am puzzled as to what this has to do with the thread

You are conflating issues, massively so.

I would also argue that Rotherham isn't really about race, as there are both white and asian victims, and abusers.

I believe the far left and the far right have a great deal in common

Of course they do, so extreme they meet in the middle.

Labour terrifies me right now/Momentum, the whole anti Jew thing...attacking that MP, inciting the migrants at Calais to riot etc. The cloak held over the whole rotheram /oxford/bristol etc etc debacle I honestly don't believe any of that would have come out - had Labour still been in power.

I would also argue that Rotherham isn't really about race, as there are both white and asian victims, and abusers

you are the only one then, everyone else has accepted that this is so. ( as in all parties, who had anything to do with it)

Oh ALL parties said it was purely race related.

Funny that neither of the official enquiries put it down to simply being a race related issue.

That statement about it not coming out if Labour had been in power?

You realise all of the first investigations that resulted convictions were all under Labour?

After Savile and whatever other things happened at Dolphin Sq and in other places I hardly think that you can say that the Tories are great at exposing sexual exploitation of children can you.

BillSykesDog - this thread goes over many pages. I will not go back to cut & paste. You're not worthy of my time like this. Clear?

Has anyone got anything to say about the links I posted, you know, the ones about lists of foreigners? That you said was not happening?

I don't know about abuse to whites and why it's not talked about. I'm sure the Mail would love to hear your story.

Anything to say about Theresa May being likened to Enoch Powell by someone who says this admiringly in the Telegraph?

Oh my, what a mudfest this thread has become, are we now using Rotherham victims to make a convincing argument about the f*up that is brexit? Am out.

Justgivemeamo - labour invited the migrants in Calais to riot? What are you on about? The attack on the MP. Do you mean the killing of Jo Cox? What are you on about?

BillSykesDog - there you go, girl. Check out your output of 20:38. I can't copy & paste. so I wasn't lying and you could now apologise.

frumpet, I voted remain too! But I don't think this government, or the electorate that put them there will be swayed by lots of talk about how bad it is going to be or tactics to trip them up.

For me, we are where we are. As I said on another thread regarding Donald Trump, while I really loath him, I have enough empathy and imagination to consider why people would vote for him. And I have enough empathy and imagination to see why Leavers feel the way that they do.

Ultimately, I think attempts for some sort of technical coup to subvert the will of the majority of the electorate will do more harm than good.

So, that being my starting point, I can see that it makes sense to have the full facts of our demography at the moment (therefore census as usual), to only have advisors working on our strategy that have full security clearance, to get it done as quickly as possible (therefore perhaps not time to include all foreign experts due to length of security clearance exercise), and for May and her team not to spill the beans about all their negotiating plans.

Do I think this means that they will succeed spectacularly? No.

Would we have been materially better off staying in the EU? Yes
But, I do think we can make things even worse by trying to hinder the negotiations out of spite and frustration.

Unlike some posters on this thread, I have no stomach for picayune complaints and endless carping over small details that are designed in their totality to make any positive, forward movement impossible.

Ahem

Thread go poof now?

I agree with your sentiment Elly , but it still sticks in the craw , that a minority of the UK ( and if we are going to quibble , a minority of the electorate ) gets to take us down a path that it appears no-one was prepared to go down .

S'Ok though because I have had the brow soothing that is country file and am now listening to Radio 4 comedy whilst considering what the heck to do with a massive glut of plums

I agree Elly

I felt so annoyed during the referendum and the remain campaign why the threats many people were telling them they were suffering anyway and that for them they couldn't see the benefits of being in the EU they totally looked over this and just threatened it would get worse it was such a huge mistake

Good luck with the plums frumpet perhaps jam?

Yes, Enthusiasm, I never dreamed we would actually leave. Though, I think I did understand why people wanted to leave.

We were never really "all in it together" during the Cameron years, but we sure are now. It's like a movie where two prisoners who hate each other are shackled together on the run.

One of the remain campaign threats that we'd be £4,300 a year worse off.

Well guess what the currency devaluation has done to the PPP of the average British household?

I dislike the fact that the remain camp are always said to have been threatening the electorate, the leave camp did the same, but promised unicorns too.

Honestly though , I am not bothered about 'me' , I am nore concerned about my children's generation ( they range from 22 to 6 ) and the other vunerable sections of this society . I am embarrassed and ashamed by the vote to leave and can hardly look my parents in the eye , especially my Father who I believed was instrumental in making me the person I am , who I thought was steady and fair throughout my life up until the June vote .

It's like a movie where two prisoners who hate each other are shackled together on the run.

That's a great analogy Elly !

Mmmmm plums - I'd be doing a huge plum and marzipan crumple frumpet (we have an unexpected glut of apples and pears here and I've nearly exhausted my repertoire of apple and pear recipes).

TheElements was thinking along the lines of a ginger and plum loaf type cakey thing , a rhubarb and plum crumble tart thing ( rhubarb from friends lottie ) and a posh glazed plum cake doodah , all of which I will take to work to ensure no further expandage of MY waistline

frumpet I'm drooling at your list! (And I love rhubarb too)

Getting back to the OP, no I don't think we are going back to the 1930s.

If you have time this is a good university lecture by Mark Blythe. You can skip ahead to about 17 minutes 35 seconds and he starts explaining why we aren't going back to the 1930s. (Answer: Soren Kierkegaard)

So they should be, and yet an Asian woman on this thread who posted about her daughter's experiences was shouted down and called liar. Is it only personal anecdotes therefore that the Commissar signs off on?

Yes of course. Because I don't know if you've noticed, but apparently some people on this thread believe they can see into the minds of all migrants read their thoughts and speak for all of them. And migrants are just one big homogeneous mass who all think the same, are all hard left and are all extremely excitable and agree entirely with said posters. Nobody seems to have considered that perhaps they have the capacity for independent thought and different opinions. Yet they're the ones calling other people racists! Yes, they like migrants, as long as they shut up, do as they're told and fit into neat stereotypes.