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AIBU?

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Am I being unreasonable about Christmas plans?

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Grumpyaboutchristmas · 01/10/2016 19:21

Genuinely would like views. I've name changed as with all other info from previous posts this could be quite identifying.

My family loves Christmas. We do big celebrations, not flash but lots of family and we love the tree, decorations and the whole day together. Husband's family not so bothered. They aren't that close, we've rarely done Christmas together and there has now been a family fall out with one of the in law siblings so no more big dos.

MIL and FIL in different care homes hundreds of miles away from us (different needs). We wanted them to move near us from years ago (so we could look after them in their old age) but they refused. Now they are in care homes we asked if they would move to care homes nearer to us (or one of the other siblings) so we can help care for them, bring them here for meals, do shopping etc for them, bring the kids to see them and so on. They refused.

I get that it would be quite disorientating to move when they are so old, but their quality of life would be immeasurably better. They have few friends and even fewer visitors. All of us live miles away from them and have family, work and other life commitments which means the weekend round trip to spend time in a hotel with care home visits is pretty unrewarding. They are quite old and also old fashioned and have never been hands on with the kids, and to be honest are anecdotally interested in the children but not so much in real life. The kids bring stuff to do when we are there but there's little interaction. To be fair, that's not anyone's fault, it's just the way it is and always was, even before the in laws had to go into homes.

So this year my family are already planning what to do at Christmas (don't judge us, I know it's early but my sibling and husband work shifts which they need to work around). We arrange to meet either for Christmas or for another date in between to celebrate it. We usually do Christmas day with my family just because we love it and husband's family aren't bothered. This year though, husband has suggested we go to his family. It would mean staying in a hotel near them in Xmas eve, with no tree or decorations (in rooms at least) for Christmas Eve or morning, followed by ferrying his mum to lunch in a restaurant, which would be quite low key and reserved (as it always is), followed by visit to granddad (who can't come out his home any more), followed by back to hotel. We would have to bring presents but somehow hide them from the kids - we don't have the biggest car in the world and it would be tricky to say the least. It just feels so unchristmassy. I don't want to do it but feel awful saying that. I think we make Christmas really special for the kids and i don't think that day sounds special. I'd be happy to do this any day but Christmas Day (and do, willingly, and encourage visits usually).

So AIBU to say we go to my family and not his, but go to his family on 27th once we're back? It might mean that his parents are alone in their care homes on Xmas day. One of his siblings did Christmas Day with them several years in a row (I don't think they brought the family with them though) and I don't think the others would do it at all. It makes me feel terrible to think of the in laws alone, but I also feel, somewhat terribly, that if they had moved to be near us then there wouldn't be this issue (we'd have Xmas morning here, and then bring them here, visit grandad etc). We'd have control and we could make it special for them and for the kids. In a random hotel, with Christmas dinner in a random pub or restaurant, we can't do that. The fact that they refused, in my view somewhat pigheadedly, to move anywhere near any of their children has created a situation where Christmas with young children and them is nigh on impossible to accommodate. We did say that our wings were clipped by the distance and logistics and we can't help or do as much from this distance, and I guess that includes things like Christmas. AIBU?

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Grumpyaboutchristmas · 02/10/2016 16:36

Well he hasn't yet suggested what - even he sees that this is a shit Christmas for kids. He had no answer for how to ameliorate that effect.

Any other day of the year, we do this with pleasure and we don't ever let the kids know we find it a chore sometimes and we big up how fab it is to see them, what we can tell them about, what we can take to show them, etc. I just feel they should have their Christmas, not that day.

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Grumpyaboutchristmas · 02/10/2016 16:37

It won't be their last Christmases, they are not on their last legs, they just can't live independently anymore.

And I haven't said no, I'm using this forum to debate things aloud. Madge if you'd read the full thread you would see exactly that. No decision has been made.

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PinkissimoAndPearls · 02/10/2016 16:38

Of course it doesn't have to be as complicated and martyr-like. If it's 4 hours away there is no reason why you couldn't travel up Xmas Eve, see one parent, stay in a hotel, see other parent Xmas Day, (have nice lunch somewhere if you want) then travel home and have presents etc at home in the late afternoon/evening. You could even make a full Xmas dinner on Boxing Day (which is what we tend to do Grin)

You clearly just don't want to go which is fair enough. Your DH however seemingly wants to go and seeing as he usually goes along with your wishes every other year, it would be kind of you to reciprocate for one year which may possibly be his parents' last Christmas.

If I was your DH I would think you were just being selfish wanting Xmas your way again and using the DC as an excuse. If you wanted to do this you could and you could make it enjoyable for the DC like a lot of other families do.

PinkissimoAndPearls · 02/10/2016 16:41

Cross post with you.

I sincerely hope you are never elderly and infirm and your DC refuse to visit you at Christmas and are happy to leave you totally alone on the basis that it would be a "shit Christmas" for their DC.

Wouldn't you feel you had raised them to be thoughtless and unkind?

Grumpyaboutchristmas · 02/10/2016 16:43

Pink, I think you raise valid points. Maybe I am being selfish, but then it's only the kids and I who actually LIKE Christmas actively, and it seems so unfair to change all that for three people (FIL, MIL, DH) who don't really celebrate it. But I take your point on doing it for DH, and I'm not discounting that very important factor in the overall decision making process. He HAS gone along with all our Christmas plans historically even though he thinks it's overkill and too materialistic and frankly that my family are irritating and noisy and far too joyous for their own good. I take that on board.

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Floisme · 02/10/2016 16:44

In your situation, I would tell the children that this Christmas will have to be a bit different because daddy wants to visit his parents, who are old and not in very good health.

In fact we had to do something very similar one Christmas when my son was 4. He survived.

madgingermunchkin · 02/10/2016 16:44

I have read the thread. But your unlying "I don't want to go please someone tell me I'm not being unreasonable" shines like a 50ft bonfire.

Exactly what Pink says ^

Grumpyaboutchristmas · 02/10/2016 16:46

Pink - cross posted with you. I'd never expect my Kids to revolve their life around me, nor to travel a distance at Christmas or a special occasion, with or without their kids, just to be with me. But then nor would I expect long term care package from hundreds of miles away. In all ways, things will be very different in the event that I become infirm. I would certainly bite the bloody hand off the person who wanted to care for me, and move near to them to facilitate that. Which is the crux of my resistance really.

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Grumpyaboutchristmas · 02/10/2016 16:48

Madge, most people post on AIBU with an overriding view. We all seek both affirmation and the opposing view. You'll see I'm taking on board both, which is as it should be. I don't think I'm being any more unreasonable than any other OP in this regard. Of course I want everyone to agree with me, but I completely accept that you don't, and I am taking on board all your comments.

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madgingermunchkin · 02/10/2016 16:49

And you don't know that this won't be their last Christmases.

The elderly can go down hill and die alarmingly quickly. Especially if there are other health issues.

itlypocerka · 02/10/2016 16:50

Sorry I haven't RTFT but yanbu to reject the Christmas you describe in your OP.
Could you consider renting a self catering holiday home near to Mil and fil nursing homes? Then you can have it decorated, have a tree and stockings etc all properly.

There are lots of ways to do Christmas -though I agree that ways that are miserable for the kids should be rejected.

Grumpyaboutchristmas · 02/10/2016 16:51

Sure, but as someone else said, so could my parents, one of whom is never in the best of health. It's not a one way street on ill health, by any means.

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ImperialBlether · 02/10/2016 16:52

I wouldn't rent a holiday home over Christmas. I'd want to spend it either at my home or a friend/relative's. A holiday home is too impersonal and would involve too much work making it Christmassy. You'd have to bring too much stuff, too.

The fact is that his parents aren't bothered about Christmas. Your husband isn't bothered about it, either. Surely that means for them it can be celebrated on a different day?

PinkissimoAndPearls · 02/10/2016 16:52

Grumpy the thing is, it's so easy to say what you would or wouldn't do when you're elderly and/or infirm. I'm not elderly but I'm definitely infirm and it's nothing like I thought it would be. In your ILs circumstances I probably wouldn't move closer as I wouldn't want to feel I was a burden and basically forcing them to care for me. It's a bloody nightmare isn't it. Is it too early for a glass of Port? Grin

If you decide to visit, please do it with a good grace to your DH and DC and don't be a pass agg martyr as I probably would want to you will probably be hugely tempted to be Wink

MrEBear · 02/10/2016 16:56

So DH admits it would be a shit Christmas for the kids. Does he feel he should visit out of duty? Would MIL understand that you don't want to drag the kids and will visit a day or so later?

KIds count down the months, weeks and days to Christmas why the hell shouldn't it be about them??

I said it earlier if it was me in a care home I would much rather my GC were having a magical Christmas at home than getting dragged to visit me. Care homes are not nice places. Not a chance would I drag my son to a dementia home on Christmas Day.

This year if I am in hospital and DS doesn't want to visit yes I will be hurt but I wouldn't want to force him. It important that Christmas happens for him with all the magic.

ChocolateDoll · 02/10/2016 16:56

Aw, man....your kids are 5 and 6!!!

Peak Christmas-loving age, IMO. Old enough to understand, young enough to believe the magic.

Every year is different at this age. There will only be 1 Christmas where your little ones are at the stages they're at now.

Missing out on the magic of Christmas Eve night / Christmas morning, to spend it in a hotel room & visiting boring old folk who have already had 70-80 odd Christmases of their own to enjoy?!?!?!?

Bollocks to that!

Stick to your guns, and do the whole visit thing any othe day of the damn year. Just not 25th Dec.

Gavel.

FixItUpChappie · 02/10/2016 16:58

I would absolutely not go and I wouldn't be guilt tripped into it. Sounds miserable for you and your kids and it is okay to think and say so. You only get little kids for a short time too and you never get them back once they are gone.

Enjoy Christmas then go see them before, after or sometime later after the fact.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 02/10/2016 16:59

to spend it in a hotel room & visiting boring old folk who have already had 70-80 odd Christmases of their own to enjoy?!?!?!?

'boring old folk' how delightful Confused

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 02/10/2016 17:00

You only get little kids for a short time too and you never get them back once they are gone.

Tbf you never get your parents back when they are gone either.

Purplepicnic · 02/10/2016 17:04

He HAS gone along with all our Christmas plans historically even though he thinks it's overkill and too materialistic and frankly that my family are irritating and noisy and far too joyous for their own good

So he has really spent many Christmases doing what is, for him, a less than ideal Christmas. Presumably because he knows it's important to you.

I'm with you OP, I would not want to do it either. But I think it's unfair of you not to. I'm sorry.

FixItUpChappie · 02/10/2016 17:07

do the whole visit thing any othe day of the damn year. Just not 25th Dec.

^^ exactly right.

LikelyLama · 02/10/2016 17:08

I think you are being a little bit unreasonable. Your family's xmas's are better than your husbands family but that doesn't make them less important to them. Some if your reasons for not wanting to go are completely legitimate but they are not insurmountable.

I have had similar xmas's with DHs family from time to time and I just make a plan and get on with it. It was never as 'perfect' as I would like but we still enjoyed ourself.

I think that you would be being a bit unfair and unkind to your DH to refuse. He must really want to do this to have asked you.

No ones parents are invincible but you have already said that you normally spend xmas's with your family.

If you decide to make the best of it and enjoy it then I bet your kids will too.

BuggerMyOldBoots · 02/10/2016 17:11

I don't envy you the decision. I would be deeply resentful in your shoes, Christmas is very precious and important to me, and I would hate the thought of forgoing our usual lovely Christmas for being away from home

I think you're going to have to grit your teeth and do it though. Not for the PILs sake, but for DH. That's what would swing it for me

The children are young enough that this won't be their most memorable Christmas (that's around age 8 I think!)

I think the holiday cottage is the best idea. Check the National Trust, they have some fab ones. A friend of mine rented one for a week in January, it was very cheap for what it was- a beautiful old Gothic style cottage on the edge of a huge beach that she had all to herself. You could make something like that really Christmassy and special, and it might end up being an unexpectedly lovely time. Give it a chance. I think you have to. If a travelodge really is your only option, then maybe a rethink where DH goes on his own

rookiemere · 02/10/2016 17:13

I'd have a bit more sway towards the DH in this case if he were the one researching jolly holiday cottages and roof racks for the presents. But he's not. His job - according to some posters - is clearly to state his preference and watch the OP facilitate everything else to ensure the DCs have a good Christmas.

When I said I wanted to see my parents this year - similar sort of scenario - SILs big family Christmas versus rather dour day with my elderly parents - DH initially wasn't happy. He threated to go to SILs with DS and leave me to go to my parents. But then we worked on it together and came up with a compromise of doing both in the same day which is just about possible and means everyone gets some of what they want.

There is a compromise scenario here which is the DH (who doesn't greatly enjoy Christmas day with OP's family) driving and visiting his parents. I find it hard why people don't think this would work - particularly as OP and the DCs clearly do spend time and money visiting the GPs on all those other days of the year.

Also I don't see why Christmas has to be split 50/50 when a) OP and DH have frequent visits to the GPs during the year b) the DH's parents don't particularly do Christmas and nor does the DH and c) Christmas with Ops family means she doesn't have to do all of the women'swork which she would in the other scenarios.

rookiemere · 02/10/2016 17:17

Oh and holiday cottages that can be rented for buttons in January are usually very expensive for the festive period.