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AIBU?

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Am I being unreasonable about Christmas plans?

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Grumpyaboutchristmas · 01/10/2016 19:21

Genuinely would like views. I've name changed as with all other info from previous posts this could be quite identifying.

My family loves Christmas. We do big celebrations, not flash but lots of family and we love the tree, decorations and the whole day together. Husband's family not so bothered. They aren't that close, we've rarely done Christmas together and there has now been a family fall out with one of the in law siblings so no more big dos.

MIL and FIL in different care homes hundreds of miles away from us (different needs). We wanted them to move near us from years ago (so we could look after them in their old age) but they refused. Now they are in care homes we asked if they would move to care homes nearer to us (or one of the other siblings) so we can help care for them, bring them here for meals, do shopping etc for them, bring the kids to see them and so on. They refused.

I get that it would be quite disorientating to move when they are so old, but their quality of life would be immeasurably better. They have few friends and even fewer visitors. All of us live miles away from them and have family, work and other life commitments which means the weekend round trip to spend time in a hotel with care home visits is pretty unrewarding. They are quite old and also old fashioned and have never been hands on with the kids, and to be honest are anecdotally interested in the children but not so much in real life. The kids bring stuff to do when we are there but there's little interaction. To be fair, that's not anyone's fault, it's just the way it is and always was, even before the in laws had to go into homes.

So this year my family are already planning what to do at Christmas (don't judge us, I know it's early but my sibling and husband work shifts which they need to work around). We arrange to meet either for Christmas or for another date in between to celebrate it. We usually do Christmas day with my family just because we love it and husband's family aren't bothered. This year though, husband has suggested we go to his family. It would mean staying in a hotel near them in Xmas eve, with no tree or decorations (in rooms at least) for Christmas Eve or morning, followed by ferrying his mum to lunch in a restaurant, which would be quite low key and reserved (as it always is), followed by visit to granddad (who can't come out his home any more), followed by back to hotel. We would have to bring presents but somehow hide them from the kids - we don't have the biggest car in the world and it would be tricky to say the least. It just feels so unchristmassy. I don't want to do it but feel awful saying that. I think we make Christmas really special for the kids and i don't think that day sounds special. I'd be happy to do this any day but Christmas Day (and do, willingly, and encourage visits usually).

So AIBU to say we go to my family and not his, but go to his family on 27th once we're back? It might mean that his parents are alone in their care homes on Xmas day. One of his siblings did Christmas Day with them several years in a row (I don't think they brought the family with them though) and I don't think the others would do it at all. It makes me feel terrible to think of the in laws alone, but I also feel, somewhat terribly, that if they had moved to be near us then there wouldn't be this issue (we'd have Xmas morning here, and then bring them here, visit grandad etc). We'd have control and we could make it special for them and for the kids. In a random hotel, with Christmas dinner in a random pub or restaurant, we can't do that. The fact that they refused, in my view somewhat pigheadedly, to move anywhere near any of their children has created a situation where Christmas with young children and them is nigh on impossible to accommodate. We did say that our wings were clipped by the distance and logistics and we can't help or do as much from this distance, and I guess that includes things like Christmas. AIBU?

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AnnieOnnieMouse · 03/10/2016 00:46

DH and I used to spend every Christmas on the motorway network. We lived in the NW, mum lived in Wales, MIL in London. It was hard work, and not much fun.
Then, one Christmas we had a tragic death in the family and we decided we would never drag ourselves around like that ever again. DM and MIL understood. Adults are far more flexible about Christmas a day or so early or late than kids are.
If your DH wants to drive all Christmas day, on his own, then fine, but I do think it is horribly unfair to drag kids around over Christmas, especially as they will be so restricted in the homes they visit.
I wonder if those of you advocating all this driving round and staying in hotels for Christmas have ever done it?

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/10/2016 01:29

How much of a discussion have you had with DH so far? Is it just that he has expressed the desire, or have you discussed the logistics - house or hotel/restaurant, how to keep presents hidden, would a hire car be needed etc.?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/10/2016 06:43

I wonder if those of you advocating all this driving round and staying in hotels for Christmas have ever done it?

Yes I have actually

myfriendnigel · 03/10/2016 07:05

Is there any way grandma could come and stay with you (and do Christmas with your family?) for a few days? Why not do that?
Lots of people go to their family for Christmas from care homes....
I wouldn't want to do Christmas in a hotel with kids that age-and drag them round a couple of care homes-it would suck for them to be honest-especially if as you've said, grandad isn't aware that it's Christmas and grandma isn't Christmassy at all.
Christmas afternoon in a care home is often pretty quiet-(I've worked in enough to know). Most of the people seem to spend much of it asleep having had a big lunch and (hopefully if it's a decent one),a nice festive morning with the staff.In fact last Christmas at work literally everyone who hadn't gone to their family was napping in their room by about 3 in the afternoon, apart from a few more up for it ones that decided to crack in to the sherry and play chequers. I ended up cleaning the windows for something to do at one point (because I obvs wasn't allowed the sherry due to later having to do the medication round Grin).

itlypocerka · 03/10/2016 08:03

By the way, the holiday cottage idea doesn't require you to organise the Christmas decorations etc yourself. Book a cottage that specifies Christmas decorations among the services available, book a supermarket delivery for the food to arrive on the first day of the booking, and you're all set.

www.sykescottages.co.uk/cottages-for-christmas.html

www.christmas-cottage-england.co.uk

Or alternatively look on airbnb in the area near these nursing homes - a family home that will have already been decorated for the family during December but they are in some other part of the country for a few days seeing their own family - no certainty that such a place would exist but it might.

Floisme · 03/10/2016 08:24

Well I guess I must have a deep seated puritan streak in me because I believe that if Christmas is about anything, it is about kindness and compassion. And I don't think 5 and 6 is too young to learn that.

I am not convinced either that it has to be quite as grim for your children as you are suggesting. It won't be the same and it won't be full-on Christmassy fun but, from reading your posts, I am quite sure you have the wit and the imagination to create some magic for them wherever you are.

itsmine · 03/10/2016 08:45

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LotsOfShoes · 03/10/2016 09:02

I think you are a bit unreasonable.

Firstly, you seem very biased towards your own family and are coming up with any excuses not to see the in laws. You only want Christmas on your own terms with your own family. You seem to really, really dislike these people and it comes out in each one of your posts.
These are your DH's parents and it might mean a lot for him to see them.
Thirdly, Christmas is not all about the kids and certainly not all about the presents and the decorations. Like a poster said upthread, it's about compassion and kindness and it's a lesson your kids should learn early on.
I'm not saying you should definitely go but I think you need to think about this in a different way and actually take this possibility seriously. Because right now you are not even considering it. It seems you just posted so we can reinforce your dislike for your in laws.

MackerelOfFact · 03/10/2016 09:50

YANBU. MIL doesn't care that much about Christmas, FIL probably won't even realise it's Christmas, they don't seem to enjoy the company of the children, and have chosen to continue to live far from her family - why would yo ruin it for your DCs, yourself and your family by going far out of your way to accommodate them? I would make the effort to go and visit PILs the week before or the week after Christmas to spend some time with them and pass on some cheer, but on Christmas Day? No, I wouldn't.

I know it's terribly emotive to think of an elderly person alone stuck in a care home, abandoned by their family who are celebrating without them. But if they don't actually care for the celebration or company anyway, are they even actually missing out? Is your DH projecting his own feelings of guilt onto his parents?

NataliaOsipova · 03/10/2016 09:51

I don't think you're being unreasonable actually - just because - a) the hassle factor is huge, b) you have small kids to consider and c) because Christmas is just a day. Being a bit cynical - get your husband to plan it and how much it would cost. Get a holiday cottage, people say. You pay peak rates for Christmas, often even more than summer holidays. That's if you can get one at all. Go to a restaurant with MIL? Fine, but you need to book and probably now. Most places do sittings on Christmas Day, so you are very constrained on time and you will pay 3x what the meal would cost you the day after. You have the dilemma of lugging presents around (and if your kids are anything like mine, losing bits of toys and games all over said holiday cottage!). Just get him to think it through. You can do the same trip a day or so later for a quarter of the cost and hassle. If his parents were down the road? Absolutely different - I'd say of course you should go and see them on Christmas Day. But this sounds like madness.

rollinghedgehog · 03/10/2016 10:50

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread, but when I was little, we went away one year for Christmas, and before we left, my parents helped us (the children) write a note to Santa, saying 'We are away and won't be able to brind all our presents back, so please can you leave them here for when we get back? We have left you a mince pie in the fridge...' Then on Chirstmas morning in the hotel, there were a few smaller presents with a note from 'Santa' saying something like 'I left most of your presents at your house like you asked, but you needed something to open on Christmas day so here you go...'

Grumpyaboutchristmas · 03/10/2016 14:45

Thanks for all the additional responses. Itlyp, thanks so much for those links, I've had a quick look and there's nothing near the in laws available at the moment but it goes to show that there are ways to get around being remote at Christmas. Thank you.

To the person who said i obviously don't like my in laws, you're wrong. I certainly find the situation frustrating, we clearly don't share the same love for Christmas festivities, and I admit I harbour resentment for their decision not to move nearer to people who can help care for them despite continuing to demand care, but I'd hardly have offered to take primary responsibility for looking after them if I didn't actually like them. I'm not that benevolent.

DH and I have been discussing holiday cottages. Interestingly, on discussing this a bit more, he doesn't massively like the idea of staying remotely at Christmas (for all the same reasons discussed here) and having considered logistics of going up and down in a day, concedes he doesn't want the children to be doing that on Christmas Day. He is thinking on. But it's quite nice to have passed the responsibility for finding solutions onto someone else, and probably the person who should be taking responsibility for sorting it out, or at least helping to do so. We've agreed we'll make a joint decision based on an investigation of all options and, most importantly, talking to his mum and seeing what she actually wants/expects.

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rookiemere · 03/10/2016 16:01

Great update grumpy and I'm glad this thread was helpful in terms of giving you and most importantly your DH ideas for how to resolve the dilemma. Hope it all works out.

itlypocerka · 03/10/2016 17:07

Thanks for the update - good to hear that your dh is putting some proper thought into the logistics and implications.

MrEBear · 03/10/2016 18:35

Good to hear DH sees the issue.

One other thought is if you go on the 27th. Then you could possibly get to the cinema or pantomime with MIL making it more of a proper family festive out rather than just lunch / dinner and back to a hotel on the 25th.

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/10/2016 18:37

That all sounds very positive, good outcome OP.

Grumpyaboutchristmas · 03/10/2016 19:04

Thanks everyone, a truly helpful thread where all comments from all views are informing the outcome. Really grateful all.

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rogueantimatter · 04/10/2016 10:39

Well you might be GrumpyaboutChristmas but you certainly don't seem to be grumpy in general.

I hope your MIL says she doesn't want to put you out at Christmas. Fingers crossed.

So glad you took my excellent advice about discussing it further with your DH Grin goes off feeling important even though you were obviously going to talk about it with him anyway Grin

Christmas though. Eh? The source of so much stress. There's a lesson in here blah blah.... (FWIW I do actually enjoy Christmas)

Mummyoflittledragon · 04/10/2016 11:33

Gosh I wish my Christmas plans could be that easy. Glad it's all worked out for you. Have a cracking time op Smile

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