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AIBU?

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Am I being unreasonable about Christmas plans?

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Grumpyaboutchristmas · 01/10/2016 19:21

Genuinely would like views. I've name changed as with all other info from previous posts this could be quite identifying.

My family loves Christmas. We do big celebrations, not flash but lots of family and we love the tree, decorations and the whole day together. Husband's family not so bothered. They aren't that close, we've rarely done Christmas together and there has now been a family fall out with one of the in law siblings so no more big dos.

MIL and FIL in different care homes hundreds of miles away from us (different needs). We wanted them to move near us from years ago (so we could look after them in their old age) but they refused. Now they are in care homes we asked if they would move to care homes nearer to us (or one of the other siblings) so we can help care for them, bring them here for meals, do shopping etc for them, bring the kids to see them and so on. They refused.

I get that it would be quite disorientating to move when they are so old, but their quality of life would be immeasurably better. They have few friends and even fewer visitors. All of us live miles away from them and have family, work and other life commitments which means the weekend round trip to spend time in a hotel with care home visits is pretty unrewarding. They are quite old and also old fashioned and have never been hands on with the kids, and to be honest are anecdotally interested in the children but not so much in real life. The kids bring stuff to do when we are there but there's little interaction. To be fair, that's not anyone's fault, it's just the way it is and always was, even before the in laws had to go into homes.

So this year my family are already planning what to do at Christmas (don't judge us, I know it's early but my sibling and husband work shifts which they need to work around). We arrange to meet either for Christmas or for another date in between to celebrate it. We usually do Christmas day with my family just because we love it and husband's family aren't bothered. This year though, husband has suggested we go to his family. It would mean staying in a hotel near them in Xmas eve, with no tree or decorations (in rooms at least) for Christmas Eve or morning, followed by ferrying his mum to lunch in a restaurant, which would be quite low key and reserved (as it always is), followed by visit to granddad (who can't come out his home any more), followed by back to hotel. We would have to bring presents but somehow hide them from the kids - we don't have the biggest car in the world and it would be tricky to say the least. It just feels so unchristmassy. I don't want to do it but feel awful saying that. I think we make Christmas really special for the kids and i don't think that day sounds special. I'd be happy to do this any day but Christmas Day (and do, willingly, and encourage visits usually).

So AIBU to say we go to my family and not his, but go to his family on 27th once we're back? It might mean that his parents are alone in their care homes on Xmas day. One of his siblings did Christmas Day with them several years in a row (I don't think they brought the family with them though) and I don't think the others would do it at all. It makes me feel terrible to think of the in laws alone, but I also feel, somewhat terribly, that if they had moved to be near us then there wouldn't be this issue (we'd have Xmas morning here, and then bring them here, visit grandad etc). We'd have control and we could make it special for them and for the kids. In a random hotel, with Christmas dinner in a random pub or restaurant, we can't do that. The fact that they refused, in my view somewhat pigheadedly, to move anywhere near any of their children has created a situation where Christmas with young children and them is nigh on impossible to accommodate. We did say that our wings were clipped by the distance and logistics and we can't help or do as much from this distance, and I guess that includes things like Christmas. AIBU?

OP posts:
Ausernotanumber · 01/10/2016 20:36

I may be projecting because my ex wouldn't ever spend Christmas with my parents. My mum is dead now and we missed out on so many years. Plus. I hated it I put on a front but it wasn't my family not my Christmas.

Please think of your husband and at least do 1/3 years with his family - one with yours one on your own one with his seems fair to me.

It's not your sort of Christmas but your family Christmas isn't his.

rogueantimatter · 01/10/2016 20:38

You could still put out beer and a mince pie for FC, play games and make and eat a celebratory dinner. What about poor old Mrs Claus btw? Does she get a sherry and mince pie. Doesn't sound as magical for her Wink

rookiemere · 01/10/2016 20:38

Thing is that whilst DH's relatives years are numbered, so are the years that the DCs will fully embrace Christmas. It's the dilemma I have and it's hard to reconcile.

snakesalive · 01/10/2016 20:39

I think you have a tough decision to make....friends of mine ,last year went away for a week over Xmas took in laws ,parents everybody.had a fab time renting a cottage...could you do that...and visit the in laws a few times over the week.

AGenie · 01/10/2016 20:39

If you do decide to go and need to get the presents there in secret then you could courier them in one massive box. When we travel I send the luggage by courier. It costs about £11 for a box that's about 60cm x 60xm x 40cm and up to 30kg in weight. If you send them to the care home they probably wouldn't mind.

You can book it through this website: www.parcel2go.com/

or this one: www.myparceldelivery.com/

I'm really interested in this thread because we have two sets of grandparents, both 500 miles away and I'm really worried about what is going to happen when they get older. We live Down South (England) and gp live in Ireland and Scotland and would find moving Down South deeply scary and foreign. I'm really stuck about what to do and worrying a lot about it.

Hearing about your situation is helpful as least because it confirms my thoughts about how it all might pan out.

blueturtle6 · 01/10/2016 20:43

Yanbu, do what's best for kids, and tbh I hate spending Christmas with people who don't love it as much as me.
I may be a tad over obsessed as I want to get the decorations out as soon as cold.

witsender · 01/10/2016 20:44

You have my every sympathy tbh, it's not a pleasant decision to make. I wonder if your family would like an 'away' Christmas? All rent together? I've always fancied a cottage Christmas.

I am yearning for a Christmas at home, just us, with maybe some friends or people popping in. As it is, we are always on the treadmill of taking it in turns.

Blueskyrain · 01/10/2016 20:45

Honestly, this could be the last Christmas your husband gets to spend with his parents, and as much as I understand your reluctance, I think it would be unreasonable not to go.

I'll bet that when your children are much older/adults, and they look back on this Christmas, they'll treasure the special time spent with their grandparents, even if it's only through photos.Anyway, it provides a good example to them that Christmas is about family and togetherness and love first, not the commercial circus we so often make it.

AGenie · 01/10/2016 20:47

Visiting the inlaws does also set a good precedent, in case your kids marry people who are even more into Christmas than your family are. #eeep!

SaladDressing · 01/10/2016 20:48

On a very practical level, it sounds as if the biggest challenge is getting the presents there without the kids finding out?

When you say 'miles away' would it be possible for you or DH to take them there a few weeks before and leave them with a relative (or at one of the care homes if the staff could store them for you)?

Or, as someone else suggested use a courier?

Then you could hire a house/holiday home, decorate it, leave out the mince pie and carrot and just enjoy Christmas, albeit somewhere else.

When DS was young I always insisted that we stayed at home. We saw DH's family between Christmas and New Year but I always feel slightly sad that FIL never saw DS at Christmas before he died.

Chopstick17 · 01/10/2016 20:49

I think with children that young YANBU, it wouldn't be much fun for them to be in care homes on Christmas day. If it were just you two I would say there isn't anything more Christmassy than visiting loved ones on this special day. Think about the real message of Christmas. However your DC are too young maybe. Maybe a visit on 27th as you suggest would be better.

AGenie · 01/10/2016 20:50

If you book early you might even get luck and get a nice house with a wood burning stove or a big garden or some other niceness that you don't get at home. It might be kind of special in a different way.

CeeceeBloomingdale · 01/10/2016 20:51

At 5 and 6 I'd want Christmas at home, it's truly magical at that age. I do think however that you should have thought about this previously and spent less special years with his family. I also think you are making it into a battle of the families. Would DH prefer Christmas at home with you and the DC only? You can see your family and his family on other days, so you're not 'winning' or getting the better day and it really is then just about the DC for that one day.

Heidi41 · 01/10/2016 20:54

Would your dh feel less guilty if you take a stance and say no. Does he really want to go or is he just feeling guilty and think he had better suggest it? IME the elderly don't really care for christmas in general. At least this has been my experience . OP don't go if you don't want to they won't even appreciate you doing it imho .

TheBouquets · 01/10/2016 20:54

Grumpy - I am not religious either but this Christmas issue has been with me for a long time from the DIL side and from the MIL side now.

It says so much to the good about you that you wanted the PILs to move closer. I tried that one too with my own DPs. They refused so I moved. I just couldn't handle the impending guilt of having done nothing.
I have spent so many Christmases being left by those whose only interest was having the best of fun. Did they not think I would have liked some fun?
Anyway now I only have 1 DC at home. I will not be having the adult DCs and their families for Christmas. DC and I have probably a very different plan for this Christmas and it does involve staying away from home. It does not really look like your PILs will have many more chances of Christmas but that does not mean that they are not worthy of a visit. Just because they are in Care Homes does not mean that they are not the DGPs to your children. How awful must it be for each of them to be apart from each other? They must be heartbroken.

captainfarrell · 01/10/2016 20:56

Will your Christmas really be magical though if your DH is feeling really sad and wanting to be with his parents?

PuckyMup · 01/10/2016 20:57

How poorly are In laws? If they are in care homes do you realistically have many Christmases with them left?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 01/10/2016 20:58

I think you're being a bit unfair. There won't be that many years left for your DH to see his parents, from the sounds of things. You can't monopolise Christmas as just your family all the time - that's rotten for your DH

I agree.

It seems that you always spend Christmas with your family and for once he'd like to spend it with his.

AlpacaPicnic · 01/10/2016 21:02

Would it be feasible to go and see the ILs before Christmas at all? It seems a shame if they aren't that bothered and never have been, to give up time with people who feel it's a very special time.

LucyLot · 01/10/2016 21:04

YANBU OP but I would do it for the sake of your husband. Heaven forbid if anything happened to either of his parents between this Christmas and next, you and he would feel awful knowing they spent their final Christmas alone. They may not be exactly how you want them to be but they are your husband's parents and difficult though it is they do need to be considered.

I totally "get" your resentment about their choice to live far away from you (I have experience of something comparable) but you have to let go of that. After all even though it would be more convenient for you just because people get older it doesn't mean they lose their right to free choice and their right to have preferences to remain in a familiar environment. They haven't wronged you by not moving.

I think your best option for this year is find a gorgeous holiday cottage and make it an adventure for the kids. They're a perfect age for Christmas so a Travelodge is not an option. If I were in your shoes I would (time permitting) travel to the cottage a day or two early and decorate it like a Christmas grotto and go mad with decorations etc so that when they walk in its a real "wow". You could get somewhere with an open fire and leave out a "marshmallow toasting station" by it etc. It would also mean you could get the presents there more easily. Hard work but would be amazing!

Hope you get it sorted.

5BlueHydrangea · 01/10/2016 21:07

Is MIL really that bothered about having you all there on the day?
My family all get together at Christmas too, whereas there are no young children on dh side so no one that bothered about all the exciting bits. In your situation I would prefer to be with my family then travel to in laws a day or 2 later.

Aderyn2016 · 01/10/2016 21:07

I wouldn't even entertain this as a possibility. They don't care much about seeing your dc, don't historically consider Christmas to be a big deal and visiting them at Christmas involves the expense of renting a cottage or hotel rooms. This time if year is expensive enough, without hotel bills!

I strongly believe that kids shouldn't be dragged all over the place at Christmas. They should be at home or with relatives who don't live too far away.

I know I sound harsh but your ILs made their choices years ago - I wouldn't prioritise them over my children's fun Christmas or mine for that matter.

Dinosaursgoboo · 01/10/2016 21:14

Definitely no to a travellodge or standard hotel. We've done trips to such hotels and eating in cheap pubs/cafes constantly (because we can't afford to go to nicer ones) for elderly and disabled family members and they are hard work with small kids, not fun for them at all. There's no way i would do it for Christmas which is something kids look forward to so much. If you want to then possibly the amazing holiday cottage idea, but be warned you'll have to hire the whole week and it will be expensive, in my experience. I have IL's whi have isolated themselves by moving far away from family. I have some sympathy for them, but they have isolated themselves and reap the consequences of their actions.

Batteriesallgone · 01/10/2016 21:14

My parents are like your ILs. In your DHs situation, I would suggest I go alone to see my parents at Christmas and leave DH to take kids to his family. Would hype it in advance including a 'Christmas video' for grandma made in advance and waving me off on the day 'with Christmas wishes for grandma and grandad'.

I say this because my parents are ultimately selfish, and don't appreciate having to pretend to look after/prioritise children in their presence although they go on about their wonderful grandkids from a distance. They don't make a big fuss for celebrations. They (DM in particular) would get a lovely warm glow from the idea I've prioritised her over my own young children at Christmas. I wouldn't do it every year but if I felt they were near the end I maybe would, happy in the knowledge kids were having a whale of a time with the ILs.

glenthebattleostrich · 01/10/2016 21:16

At 5 and 6 you prioritise the children at Christmas I think. Your inlaws have had the choice to move closer and haven't so unfortunately you not spending Christmas shuttling your children from a soul destroying hotel to a care home for a couple of hours then back again is not going to happen.

And believe me, we have done our share of Christmas in Travelodges and Premier Inns and they are just depressing.

Slightly different but, DMIL is getting more unfirm as the years go on and has come to us since we had DD (last 6 years). This year she feels unable to so we will see her on the 27th / 28th. I will be sending a lovely hamper for DMIL to enjoy with her favourite foods and drinks and we are taking her out for afternoon tea to make up for it. DH does feel guilty but we, as parents, prioritise our DD at this time of year.

6 is the first Christmas I really remember (I got a dolls house that my Dad had made (unemployed and skint in 1980's North East) and we had roast chicken for dinner then visited grandparents for Christmas tea) I personally wouldn't want my children's memories of it being sitting being ignored by grandma.