to think Urban Outfitters were right?

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"Let's clear something up right off the bat: I am trans. The reason this seems like a proclamation worth making is that, to the untrained eye, I may seem like your everyday New York City cisgender gay guy. I haven't had any hormones or facial electrolysis, and I don't have any boobs. But make no mistake: I am trans. I wear basically all women's clothing, makeup, and hairdos and I identify as a gender-fluid trans person"

So he is a man. He looks like a man, presents as a man, calls himself Nicholas, and does not refer to himself as a woman but he is upset that he was not allowed to change in the women's rooms despite being told that there were currently young girls in the room.

You do know that it's possible to count just to yourself, right, quietly in your head?

It's just that when you make a point of doing it here on the thread for everyone to see, it DOES risk making you look like a tiny bit of a GF possibly.

Isn't it strange that those that complain there are too many trans threads are always posting on them? I open a thread, don't like it or find it distressing, I close the thread. You don't get women posting about too many sex abuse, abortion threads, even though many women will find them extremely distressing. No one is being forced to read them, unlike the women that are being forced to share female spaces with men with pennies.

Boo hoo, there's too many trans threads -

women feel uncomfortable/unsafe sharing female spaces with men. Never mind, just shut up and put up, or you are all transphobic

That just makes me want to start 17 trans threads, to be honest.

Anyway, I was only halfway through explaining what I was reading to dd this morning when she said 'well if they're gender FLUID they can use the men's!'

Switch the word 'trans' for 'black' or 'gay', or even 'women' and have a think about it.

This is very different from racism and homophobia. Nobody marginalized white people when fighting for rights for black people, nobody redefines straight people when talking about gay fights. Black people don't insist on being called white, and gay people don't insist on being called straight.

Recently I've read about:
⁃ A college event involving decorating vulva cupcakes having to apologize because the event was (and this was the exact wording used) "so incredibly violent" towards trans women because trans women might have a penis.
⁃ A production of the Vagina Monologues being cancelled for not being trans inclusive because trans women might have a penis.
⁃ That the words "pregnant woman" are offensive to the trans community and must be replaced by midwives with "pregnant person".
⁃ That abortion is not a women's issue any more because trans men have abortions.
⁃ That menstruation is not a women's issue any more because trans men have periods.
⁃ That associating having a womb with being a woman by using the term "womyn" or "wombyn" is offensive to the trans community because trans women don't have wombs.
⁃ That believing that having periods and a womb makes you a woman is wrong.
⁃ That complaining about your period pain is offensive to trans women because trans women would 'give anything' to have a period.
⁃ That a hashtag on twitter involving celebrating periods was transphobic because periods are not celebrated by trans men who wish they didn't have them.

Basically everything involving being a biological woman is becoming offensive to talk about. How can anyone not see where the problem with all of this is?

It's all about men wanting access to women's spaces.
And pulling off the most brazen smoke and mirrors snowjob imaginable; trying to make people believe they're women while insisting on retaining a fully functioning penis. And chest hair...
They're succeeding too. It's terrifyingly ridiculous.

This

Our local Peacocks has this right. 2 cubicles with proper doors, doesn't matter whether you are man, woman or part sea lion, you can use either cubicle with no hassle. Job done. No need for press statements or endless online debate.

Our local Peacocks has this right. 2 cubicles with proper doors, doesn't matter whether you are man, woman or part sea lion, you can use either cubicle with no hassle. Job done

Quite a lot of smaller stores do this and it has always made sense to me. Otherwise you can end up with huge queues for the three ladies rooms and 1 guy in the three mens rooms. What's the point of that?

I am still just stuck on the point that Nicholas himself has made no claims to be a woman, just claims to be genderqueer, and yet his demands to go in the women's changing rooms is deemed sensible enough by someone to be printed.

What with the beards, the male names, the penises - and now not even saying that you are a woman, just that you aren't entirely, quite, a man is apparently enough to get you access for the little space that women have. There isn't even barely a pretence any more that transitioning comes into it at all.

Yy Annie.

The changing rooms are not 'man' and 'not man'.

It does indeed seem as though day is night, night is day and so on.

What has happened?

I need to buy a few bits and pieces for Autumn. I will definitely visit Urban Outfitters first. They are a bit young and trendy for me, but I am sure I can find a tshirt.

Not another: to a normal person that would suggest how deeply worried and concerned women are about this. And they would think - eerhas some of this is justified, ill read more and see what is bothering them. That's a normal person of course,

7 is quite a lot when you consider the hundreds of threads started over past couple days.... I suppose.

This cockchopper thinks you need it lobbed off to be anywhere that says 'woman' thanks acasual

The point of changing to single occupancy open plan cubicle is that they should be unisex. If cubicles in a women's changing room say 'woman' and are in a secluded space they are for women.

Anyway, have I missed the bit where it was explained why this gender fluid man needed to be in the women's room?

Yes good for Urban Outfitters. Not a shop I normally go to but will have a look on the basis of this. And let them know too

Another sad thing is that folk like this and lots of very vocal trans activists are fucking it up for the majority of trans people who just want to enjoy getting on with their lives.

People like this bloody lovely lady:
www.aguycalledhelen.com/2016/08/28/whats-my-deal/

OK this is starting to get really fuckin g annoying, and laws are taking this ridiculous side too in a lot of cases. Either we need sex segregated areas or we don't. But thats another discussion entirely. Whilst we have sex segregated areas, they should remain sex segregated. With no exceptions. Pretty simple (except intersex, which is slightly more complicated but fuck all to do with 'trans')

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I am getting confused with the new special snowflake speak. I thought gender-fluid meant they are both male and female. In which case it shouldn't have been horrific to be asked to use the mens. I also thought 'gender nonbinary acceptance' was about allowing people of either sex to dress how they wish without judging? Non-binary simply means rejecting societys sterotypes doesn't it? In which case, sex segregated areas do not matter at all to the 'non binary' person..they accept sex segregation as everyone else does. All so fucked up, stupid and confusing.

Thankyougirlinacoma that helped alot

I agree with you,I think so many people forget that there's going to be alot of women and sadly young girls that are going to have suffered sexual assaults/rape by a man that would find it unbearable to have a person that has a penis in the womens changing rooms next to them.

I'm one of those women and as well as I cope with what happened to me just the thought of a man that I don't know being that close to me when I'd be in a vunerable state(hardly any clothes on)has shook me up.

I think as important as he feels his rights are and of course his rights are important he does need to step outside what only effects him and what he wants and try to understand how heavily it could affect a whole other group of people that may have been through something horrific.

That was long I hope it makes sense.

www.aguycalledhelen.com and other trans women like her are wonderful and enlightening to read. It is tragic that they are drowned out by the screaming narcissistic semi demi fluid non binary whatever the fuck they are nightmares. Oh and if you don't want to reads trans threads then fuck off and read the hundreds of other options mumsnet has for you.

Jesus Christ. What is it? Transphobia Day on MN?

I wish people with this view would actually say what is transphobic about any of the posts? Or is it considered transphobic to even speak about the issue now?

Always attempts to s hut down the conversation with 'transphobia' but never any actual examples of arguments against views commonly held in here.

I told DS that I identified as a polar bear and was going to growl and eat people. He said I was being an idiot.

I said he was being polarfluid biased. He said I was being a bigger idiot.

Yes, it is considered transphobic to even speak about the issue.

Such is the fascism we are facing.

I wish people with this view would actually say what is transphobic about any of the posts? Or is it considered transphobic to even speak about the issue now?

I've never seen a coherent argument to back up allegations of transphobia on here, just vague claims of 'anti-feminism'.

I've yet to fathom how objecting to males demanding a right to access female safe spaces is 'anti-feminist'

suggesting that having committed suicide is necessary to be taken seriously as a transperson is pretty fucking extreme hatred imo.

Noone suggested that though. Funnily enough, it is because of the actions of the idiot in this story that genuine transgender people are so prominent right now. Honestly, I believe its about time for transgendered people to reclaim their own fucking 'trans' name as I doubt they are too impressed with ANYONE being able to identify as trans anytime it benefits them which is how things are at the moment. Kind of trivializes the actual struggles these people go through on a day to day basis when there is some random dude kicking off because he is refused permission to strip next to a teenage girl. The views of all transpeople (mostly transwomen, as a transman seems to be very rare) I have spoken to/engaged with are that they just want to fit in and lead a quiet life. These attention seeking dickheads hanging onto the 'trans' label for dear life are causing harm to women and transwomen alike. How common was it to hear, for example, the changing room debate before all of these special snowflakes started coming forward making a fuss whilst claiming to be trans? (does gender-fluid transgender gay man make ANY sense to you, incidentally..as it doesn't to me? Gender-fluid and trans are polar opposites?)

Transgendered to me will always mean someone 'born in the wrong body' who suffers stress and trauma about this matter and does everything possible to be as close to the sex he/she 'feels'. These people deserve empathy and understanding as their lives must generally be shit. Unfortunately the 'trans umbrella' now includes a variety of different 'conditions'. this blog (ignore the links on it as they are not relevant to THIS post) states

Transgender Law and Policy Institute estimates the Transgender population at 2 – 5% of the US population. National Center for Transgender Equality reports that only 0.25 – 1.0 % of the US population are Transsexual, persons suffering from a complete psychosexual inversion whose body identity disorder/ body dysmorphia disorder takes the form of an obsession with having the primary and secondary sex characteristics of the opposite sex.

These figures check out. With official figures also.

I don't think many have an issue with the 0.25 - 1% of genuine transpeople. Those who get on with their lives, trying to fit in like everyone else. Its the others that cause problems, those that simply claim to be transgender when they are something else entirely.