to think Urban Outfitters were right?

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"Let's clear something up right off the bat: I am trans. The reason this seems like a proclamation worth making is that, to the untrained eye, I may seem like your everyday New York City cisgender gay guy. I haven't had any hormones or facial electrolysis, and I don't have any boobs. But make no mistake: I am trans. I wear basically all women's clothing, makeup, and hairdos and I identify as a gender-fluid trans person"

So he is a man. He looks like a man, presents as a man, calls himself Nicholas, and does not refer to himself as a woman but he is upset that he was not allowed to change in the women's rooms despite being told that there were currently young girls in the room.

This person in the op doesn't even identify as a woman. They identify as 'genderfluid' which as far as I can tell means you feel you are both/neither and can choose how to present dress from one day to the next and that indicates whether you're feeling male or female that day.

OR we could not use penis in anyway when defining women and just have 'women' on the door which is a perfectly good word for a adult female with a vagina.

ALSO Fuck your 'transphobia' day. Other than having a go at me has anyone who thinks I am trans bashing said why that guy belongs in the women's room?

No.

"The amount of hatred and ignorance spurted out against trans people on here is vile. Switch the word 'trans' for 'black' or 'gay', or even 'women' and have a think about it."

Or swtich the word for 'transblack' and let that transblack person say we are 'post racism'.

I am hoping that the clothes manufactures will do what everyone else is doing and pander to the Transgender commnity. It would be nice to find clothes that are bigger than a size 14 and made for tall women.

Hopefully they won't add 'leg' room in the trousers though.

Because being a woman is all about the clothes and makeup. And women who wear trousers, hiking boots and no makeup should change in the men's?

I bet tamara was quite relieved that he wasnt in her changing room

Friends can be quite cutting when trying on clothes, sometimes i wish my friends would fuck off to a different changing room

As they tend to look a lot better than me in a dress

Actually yes, please could any of the 'allies' here tell me why a gender fluid person who knows he is a man and looks like a man should be in the women's rooms with young girls? Please tell me, explain it slowly and in words of few syllables being that I'm an ignorant transphobe incapable of your advanced thought.

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As they tend to look a lot better than me in a dress^Rufus, no risk of that with Nicholas though.

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As they tend to look a lot better than me in a dress^Rufus, no risk of that with Nicholas though.

Thank you Ds.

I wouldnt bet on it penile

Loving your work, puntastic

Also it's worth noting what this trans person actually says:

New York City has gotten it right: By law, anyone can now use the single occupancy bathrooms and dressing rooms that align with their gender identity. There's no question. However, in a place that hasn't yet passed such laws, companies should be adopting these regulations regardless.

So she is not arguing that she should be allowed go into a women's locker room or similar. She is arguing that she should be allowed to use a single occupancy cubicle (bathroom/changing room) labelled female. That's quite a big difference IMO.

But would he still have to cut off his cock to get into a single occupancy changing room? I think the cock choppers need to answer that.

AverageGayLad Thank you. I'm heartened to hear that you have never felt uneasy in the male changing rooms. Thank you for understanding that for many women and girls this is about fear and safety, often based upon personal experience. The vast majority of males understand this, I think. It would be good to hear them speak up for females like you do. Also to reassure other males who might feel vulnerable in the men's changing room.

I feel very, very sorry for the (20 percent?) of trans people who struggle with gender dysmorphia to the extent that they are forced to undergo surgery to retain their mental health. Personally I think that they have earned their place in the sisterhood. Totally agree with PPs who say that their voices are drowned out in the debate around gender. Nicholas is nothing like this 20pc. He seems to be hugely lacking in empathy.

I feel like there's a trans agenda being pushed on us. Why?

I am really sick of women's facilities being used to accommodate everyone that is not a man, or who does not wish to be seen as a man, or even does wish to be seen as a man but doesn't want the physical threats that come with men's space.

So: spaces and resources open to men are available to men.

Spaces and resources that are supposed to be open to women are now supposed to be available to nonbinary people, genderfluid people, trans women (born male), trans men (born female, most of whom understandably tend to use women's facilities because of the danger from men in men's spaces), and women. And if the women complain that not-women are in their space and using their resources, they are horrible bigots.

Nicholas explicitly identifies as "genderfluid trans" which as a concept (if we ignore the reality for the moment) is no nearer "woman" than it is near "man". So why is Nicholas insisting on using women's facilities when even Nicolas isn't claiming to be a woman?

Fuck off, Nicholas.

#4

Reported for being a GF.

I too have nothing but empathy for those with genuine gender dysmorphia. I work with a woman who was born male and has had full gender reassignment surgery. She is extremely eloquent about growing up feeling that you are in the 'wrong' body. She is covered in self harm scars and spent six months on 1:1 observation on a psych ward following a suicide attempt. She seems genuinely happy now although I know that transitioning doesn't always improve mental health.
Twats like this make a mockery of the very real struggles that some people face.
I have never posted on any of the trans threads but it does make me uneasy that anybody can simply 'self identify' as a woman. I know that trans women face discrimination but their issues are not the same as biological women. For a start, they have no experience of what it is like to grow up as a girl - of being leered at by builders or groped on the tube. Nobody has ever said 'Cheer up love' to them. They will never have had the embarrassment of starting a period in the middle of a PE lesson. They will never have had a pregnancy scare or a miscarriage or an abortion.
As part of my job, I attend a safeguarding meeting at the local maternity unit. Sometimes I come away feeling physically sick after hearing case after case of women who've had FGM or are victims of horrific DV or are hiding in a refuge in fear of being killed by their family.
Last week, there was a case of a woman who was hit round the head with an iron while she was breastfeeding her baby.
It is beyond insulting that somebody who has grown up with male privilege can suddenly just declare themselves female and demand the right to march into a female changing room.

Toilets, hospital wards, prisons, changing rooms are SEX-segregated (mainly for reasons of safety of the female sex).

This. One hundred times this.

I fully accept the whole trans movement, I accept that people want to ditch the idea of fixed, binary gender. Sex, however, is binary and is fixed. And so it clearly makes more sense to separate these spaces by sex than by gender, which is pretty difficult to segregate since we've just reasoned that it's fluid and non-binary.

Not goady. I thought it would be useful exercise to see how many there are and the frequency. I make that eight active threads in three and a bit days.

I hope you're also counting MIL and parking threads, NotAnotherTransThread

And you've only counted 7. 4 in AIBU and 3 in FWR

Shock, horror, women are discussing regressive gender roles in FWR even?!

I am appalled.