to think Urban Outfitters were right?

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mic.com/articles/154301/urban-outfitters-misses-the-mark-on-gender-nonbinary-acceptance?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=style&utm_campaign=social#.lYCPcDysd

"Let's clear something up right off the bat: I am trans. The reason this seems like a proclamation worth making is that, to the untrained eye, I may seem like your everyday New York City cisgender gay guy. I haven't had any hormones or facial electrolysis, and I don't have any boobs. But make no mistake: I am trans. I wear basically all women's clothing, makeup, and hairdos and I identify as a gender-fluid trans person"

So he is a man. He looks like a man, presents as a man, calls himself Nicholas, and does not refer to himself as a woman but he is upset that he was not allowed to change in the women's rooms despite being told that there were currently young girls in the room.

I'm so so sick of all of this. At the end of the article it says this:

"As we delve into a post-gender world, corporations are going to have to align quickly with the way our culture has evolved. As we become a more tolerant and understanding society, these companies are going to have to keep up, or we'll simply stop giving them our money"

The world is NOT 'post-gender'. We can never be post-gender. Even if we could, we can not be post-gender until WOMEN have equal rights in society compared with men. Saying we're post-gender is yet another way of erasing women.

Our culture has NOT 'evolved'. Men are still men, and women are still women. Preference doesn't change biological fact. Until we're all born both men and women, this 'evolution' isn't real.

Tolerance goes both ways. Why am I intolerant for not wanting to share a changing room with a man when the whole point of this article was to complain that a man wasn't happy in a men's changing room?

So he's yet another gay male misogynist who thinks women and children are put on this earth to validate his fantasies.

What could possibly have given him the idea that anyone would be interested in his 'plight' in these happy trans-is-everywhere days.

I applaud UO and may consider shopping there more now. I have stopped shopping in Target.

Or men's, women's and unisex

How about "penis" and "no penis"? Makes it pretty clear then.

LOL at the idea of someone this special finding something to wear in Target though. It's a long way downmarket from UO.

I know, Math. I was taking the piss .

Saying you are a woman or at least (not a man) because you wear "mostly women's clothes" is not "breaking down the gender binary". It's reinforcing it, and it's deeply regressive. How can it be in any way post-gender?

FFS. If you want to "identify as a woman" then get your fucking penis cut off.

There is actually an old term for castrated men, eunuchs.

Nail on the head there Apple.

Another day, another trans-bashing thread, the same much-repeated great thoughts on the same subject yet again. Yes, it really does need a separate topic.

Hiding thread.

Go ahead and hide the thread if it makes you feel better. Retreat to whatever fantasy world you inhabit where no woman has ever had a photo of her bottom taken while on an escalator, and no woman has ever noticed a peep hole in a toilet cubicle, and no child has ever been assaulted in a public bathroom, by men.

Meanwhile back in the real world the thoughts of very concerned women are oft repeated because it seems Newspeak hasn't caught on with a significant number of people, mainly women here on MN, and since we are the ones affected by the prospect of men sharing changing rooms and formerly women's only loos, we have a right to stand up for our privacy.

It's discussion about a very important subject. It's not trans-bashing.

Does everyone who thinks this is trans bashing think that it's OK to ignore the opinions of large numbers of women on the topic? Why is it ok to try to silence women? Because calling these discussions trans bashing is silencing women. You're basically saying our thoughts, opinions, and feelings are invalid and that we're wrong to have them. Yet trans people can do and say whatever they want because any opposition is always transphobic. This is rather dangerous for women's rights and I hope society doesn't really think this way in the majority. I think if it continues it will undo everything that has been done for women's rights.

And, btw, I am not anti trans. I fully support those who are struggling with their gender identity. What I am against is how 'woman' is being appropriated and the definition is being changed in a way that completely minimizes women.

No, I wasn't bring satirical. I do agree that everyday is transphobia day on MN. The amount of hatred and ignorance spurted out against trans people on here is vile. Switch the word 'trans' for 'black' or 'gay', or even 'women' and have a think about it.

"Let's clear something up right off the bat: I am trans. The reason this seems like a proclamation worth making is that, to the untrained eye, I may seem like your everyday New York City cisgender gay guy

i can't say what you look like to me. It's not allowed. But I can say that how you perceive yourself is way off the mark to how many of us see you.

Oh come on restless! How can you possibly think that being excluded from a female changing room because of your male body and functional penis is any way the same as black or gay people being discriminated against? You have a think about it and tell us, please.

He was unable to breathe after being told to go into a certain changing area? What a load of bollocks.

Oh I don't know. I can imagine that absolutely happened. I suspect he might be one of those New York City Everyday Cisgender Gay Trans guys. You know, the sort who specialises in elevating camp histrionics and drama llama behaviour to some sort of high performance art.

I imagine he had a fit of the vapours brought on by shock, and needed to be carried to his bed by a strong man in breeches and nursed back to health, like a delicate Victorian lady.

The amount of 'hatred' and 'ignorance' spouted anywhere people dare to disagree with the trans agenda is the real vileness.

Since when has it been fine to silence women?

We don't have to switch the word 'trans' for women. We see the attempts to silence all over the internet, all over Student Unions, all over government committees.

We have even been told we need to call ourselves by our new name - ciswomen, and told to refer to ourselves as menstruating people or pregnant people if those conditions are ours, because some peoples feelz are knocked all out of joint by reminders that they don't have the necessary internal organs to perform those bodily functions, such is the disrespect we face. Bad and all as that is, if that was all there was to it, then we wouldn't be fighting so hard.

But no, we have to face men competing in sport against women, and strong, healthy teenage boys competing against girls, male teenagers insisting on their right to change and shower in girls' changing rooms in schools no matter how the actual girls feel about that, men claiming spots in women's sections of homeless shelters, men seeking beds in women's psychiatric wards, and perhaps worst of all, men insisting on their right to be housed in women's prisons even if they have been found guilty before the assumed their new identity of raping women or children.

The most voiceless and powerless of women must suck up what a group of clearly well-connected, internet-savvy, privileged and articulate men choose to inflict on them. No change there, in women's experience of men.

And please, ask minorities their permission before you throw them all in with trans people. Not all of them are happy about that. Co-opting others under the trans umbrella is one of the more egregiously disgusting aspects of the trans campaign.

There are a lot of black parents up in arms about the prospect of white teenage boys ogling their daughters in high school locker rooms across America, where not about 150 years ago it was perfectly fine for plantation owners to invade the spaces of their slaves and use the bodies of 'minority' women as they pleased.

Please also consider the treatment many lesbians receive at the hands of be-penised transwomen who insist a lesbian is being an offensive transphobe in turning down a sexual advance from another so-called woman. Not all people who fall under the heading of 'LGBT' are too happy to be dragged under the umbrella.

Am going to spend money in UO today.

Switch the word 'trans' for 'black' or 'gay', or even 'women' and have a think about it.

Easy :) I don't want people with penises in women's changing faciilties.
Not if they and their penis are black.
Not if they and their penis are gay.
Not if they and their penis are female.
Not if they and their penis are trans.

(A penis-owner and said reproductive equipment can't be female. I was being considerate there.)

He wants to go into the female changing room because in the male changing room he is vunrable and not in a position of power (because of his choice to wear an interesting hat maybe).

In the female changing room it'll be him who is in the position of power and those 'cis-gender' teenagers who are vunrable and not in a position of power. Which for him, a male (to the untrained and trained eye) in a patriarchal society, is proper order and so quite obviously his right.

No, I wasn't bring satirical. I do agree that everyday is transphobia day on MN. The amount of hatred and ignorance spurted out against trans people on here is vile. Switch the word 'trans' for 'black' or 'gay', or even 'women' and have a think about it.

This is a serious issue, and women's rights are being trampled on in the race to be politically correct.

If transgender people wanted to fight for unisex change rooms in sporting facilities and schools, they would have tremendous amounts of support. But they don't want that, they want to invade traditionally safe spaces for women in the need to validate their own feelings. The irony is that they want to remove rights from the very group they claim they so desperately want to be considered a part of.

If women, real women that is, have to be described as menstruating people or pregnant people, then can I call trans woman a person with a penis or a penis person? Can I use that as a blanket statement to describe men and men who want to be women. After all, the penis is no longer an indicator of sex, so surely person with penis would be no more offensive than menstruating person. Or does it only work one way?

If he finds himself not in a position of power in the men's changing room then he has to sort that out for himself with the other men, through dialogue.

It is not up to women to sort out his problems for him that involve other men.

We are not going to be forced to play 'Mother' to the entire world. We have the right to refuse to solve other people's issues. Insisting that we welcome men in our changing rooms/homeless shelters/public pool changing rooms/school locker rooms and showers/psych wards and women's prisons is the ultimate example of a gender role* hurting a class of people.

• (i.e. women are the nurturing sex who can be made to do anything men want them to do, and I suspect that the anger emanating from the trans community about the pushback from women is very much partly outrage that some women have shown the temerity to not roll over and let men do whatever they want with us.)

I read the article and wow, what a load of self-absorbed bollocks.
Clothes shopping is his way of expressing himself? I like clothes shopping. To me it's spending money I sometimes don't have on stuff I frequently don't need because I like it.
And if he is gender fluid, he can fucking flow himself into changing rooms for men. Why does he insist on female changing rooms? Any perv get dress into a dress and take a handbag and insist on access to female changing rooms under the pretence of being trans or fluid.

But no, we have to face men competing in sport against women, and strong, healthy teenage boys competing against girls, male teenagers insisting on their right to change and shower in girls' changing rooms in schools no matter how the actual girls feel about that, men claiming spots in women's sections of homeless shelters, men seeking beds in women's psychiatric wards, and perhaps worst of all, men insisting on their right to be housed in women's prisons even if they have been found guilty before the assumed their new identity of raping women or children.

This.
It's once again about male domination. How many trans or gender fluid women insist on access to male sections in shops, shelters or toilets? What's the ratio?

I would suggest next time he shops online if he finds society's common sense rules so awful