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to think DD should not be forced to go to uni because a friend spent £70?

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Bluemoon49 · 06/09/2016 15:14

Apologies for the length of this but wanted to give proper backstory.

DD got accepted into uni this August, is due to start in two weeks. She has long term general anxiety and low self esteem issues. Since results day she has been having second thoughts about going and considering the idea of taking a year out and going to university next September. She definitely wants to go to uni, she just doesn't feel ready for it this year due to a number of reasons. She says she will get a job and do some volunteering in charity events as this is something she's interested in as a career. I have said she can do whatever she wants but she has been very confused and kept changing her mind one way or the other as it's a big decision to defer for a year and she's worried about being a year older when she starts etc

Have told friends that she is having doubts about going this year. There is one in particular, who has known DD since she was 4 and is more like an aunt to her, who is very much of the mind that DD should go this year as it's 'now or never' and if she doesn't go this year she never will. This friend has said to me very firmly that it's up to me to tell DD that she doesn't have a choice and basically force her to go his year. She gets annoyed when I tell her that DD is 19 and can make her own choice and I will support her. She thinks that I am holding her back and DD is being soft/just needs a push from me to get on with her life and that it will be best for her to leave me and be with other young people. I agree with this, but at the moment DD is really depressed, can't get excited about university at all and really feels that it's all happening too fast. I'm worried if she forces herself to go she could end up having a break down and coming home, or at least not making the most of uni.

Now the complicated bit is that DD went to have meningitis jab on Thursday and because she has a phobia of needles and needed someone with her, and I was working, this friend went with her. They then went back to friend's house for lunch. At this point DD was of the mind that she was going to uni as planned this year. My friend had said to me the day before that she would "draw DD out" and "make sure she goes to university". I arrived to pick her up at end of day to find that friend had taken DD out to The Range and bought her a car load of stuff for uni - plates, trays, mugs, cutlery, utensils, pans etc - costing £70. She did this as a 'uni present' for DD as she knows that I couldn't afford to buy her lots of new things and DD was just going to take a few things from home. DD was thrilled with all the lovely things and said that she would go to university this year.

However, as days have passed she has admitted to me that deep down she still doesn't want to go this year and would feel much more comfortable taking a year out. She feels guilty about the £70 that friend spent and feels this means she has to go now. Friend has also planned a party for this Saturday.

Saw friend the other day, along with another friend. Other friend said "so, is it so and so date that DD goes to uni? - that is if she goes!" and friend 1 looked at me meaningfully and said "oh she's going, she has to go, she doesn't have a choice, isn't that right Blue?" and I said "no, she can choose to do whatever she wants." This seemed to annoy friend and she said "yes, but you're not going to tell her that! You tell her she hasn't got a choice!"

DD is very worried that if she chooses not to go to university this year my friend is going to be annoyed. She hasn't said outright that she would be annoyed because of the £70 shopping trip but it seems likely. I know it's an awkward situation and it is embarrassing after she's spent so much, but she chose to do that and DD can still take all the lovely things with her when she goes next year. AIBU to think that DD should be free to defer uni if she wants, despite friend?

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sleeponeday · 07/09/2016 00:26

I would instinctively mistrust someone this manipulative and with so little grasp of boundaries.

Your daughter's life choices are her own, with input from those she chooses to ask. This woman is treating her like a child - and her own child, at that, though this level of pressure and manipulative bullshit would be profoundly damaging to any child, frankly. Has she children herself? I can't help hoping she doesn't.

Your daughter doesn't sound ready. Let her have a year to grow up more if she needs it. Life is very long, and uni years short, and if she does better after taking a year out then it will be worth it in spades.

CheeseFlavouredDiscs · 07/09/2016 00:35

I agree that it is absolutely your DDs choice whether or not she chooses to go to university or not this year. However, if she decides not to attend, she should
a) spend time working on the issues preventing her from attending this year.
b) contact the university and explain her situation, and ask if she can defer her place until next year. At least that way she doesn't have to proactively do anything to go to university next year (such as re-applying via UCAS)

I know of 3 people who weren't sure about going to university but who were forced/persuaded into going, and it hasn't worked out great for any of them.

Person 1 ended up dropping out after 4-5 months because he didn't like the course (which he got through clearing and hadn't been sure about) and then spent the rest of the year with a job to pay off his university debts, and reapplied for a completely different course and university. He was was happier the second time around, but wasted a lot of money on the first year.

Person 2 dropped out after about 2 months and she came back with much more complex mental health problems than she'd had when she arrived. She needed almost 2 years out to sort her mental health out before reapplying for a similar course at a different university and is much happier and doing well now.

Person 3 didn't know what he wanted to do in life, which course to take or if she even wanted to go to university, but was pressured into applying and attending university. She stuck it out for the 3 year (mostly due to parental pressure) but really didn't enjoy the course or the experience. She came out with a 3rd class degree and still didn't know what she wanted to and has since gone on to do a job that doesn't require a degree, but at least pays the bills. She has effectively wasted her money, and lost precious time that could have been better used to consider which direction to take her life.

On the flip side I have seen several people who have gone down the route of not going to university 'for now' and most of them have not gone on to attend university at all. Some have really wasted their potential. However, they do at least still have the opportunity to do a degree in the future with support from the student loans company (who as a general rule, only fund one degree course).

Hope that helps :)

M00nUnit · 07/09/2016 00:45

I just want to mention that I went to University straight after doing A-Levels (due to pressure from my DM) and it was definitely the wrong decision - I just wasn't ready. I think it's very likely that if I'd deferred for a year as I'd wanted to, I wouldn't have ended up dropping out in the first year due to the stress.

ParkingLottie · 07/09/2016 04:01

I think you need to have a grown up conversation with your dd.

Tell her that your friend has no business exerting her opinion to this extent and that she has no obligation towards this woman's opinion beyond what she chooses to listen to.

Tell your dd that you can and will go on holiday whether or not she goes to Uni,

Sit down and do a pros and cons list of deferring Uni , and if she sticks with the decision to defer, support her in that being a strong positive choice. How she will use the year, and definitely support her to get help with anxiety so that she can make the most if Uni next year.

HicDraconis · 07/09/2016 04:35

What are the chances of your DD going to Uni this year, under pressure and without the confidence of a year out and becoming so overwhelmed with anxiety that she drops out part way through and never goes back?

Vs a year out, where she can hopefully gain some more independence while still having the security of living at home. There's nothing to stop you going on holiday and leaving her to run the house for a week or so, getting herself up and out to work on time etc.

Your friend sounds quite horrible and over invested in your DD going, for some reason. I would either take the gifts back, or arrange a repayment plan over the year so that your DD can take the things to Uni next year without this hanging over her.

She's an adult. It's entirely her choice whether she goes to Uni this year, next year or not at all. It's not yours, or your friends, or up to either of you to dictate her life choices to her. Yes you can suggest and advise, you can point out options - but you cannot force her to make any decisions.

HeteronormativeHaybales · 07/09/2016 06:51

Your friend is bizarrely, worryingly over-involved. Return the stuff to her, whatever your dd ends up doing this year, and put masses of distance between her and you both.

I do think if your dd takes a year out you need to ensure she a) has the university's support and b) does actually do stuff to build her independence and resilience. She needs to understand you won't be enabling her to hide from life, but rather want to allow her to prepare for it from a secure base. Do you think she will do the working/volunteering etc (and tbh I think the second half of the year should feature a stay away from home to work or travel, for a couple of months perhaps) without constant pushing from you?

NerrSnerr · 07/09/2016 06:59

Is there more to it? Are there problems at home that your friend thinks your daughter could do with getting away from? Is she worried that she may never leave home and thinks she needs a push? Is there anyone else in the family, could it be that your daughter is worried about leaving you?

If not than why are you even friends with her? I'd give the stuff back and then not speak to her any more.

kilmuir · 07/09/2016 07:01

The 'friend' needs to wind her neck in .
Please stop sharing info with this person , she is being given far too much control/ input over YOUR DD .

eurochick · 07/09/2016 07:03

Well the present is neither here nor there. Plates won't go off if she postpones for a year. However, I think the friend is right. To me, it sounds like it would be best for your daughter to go now and I think you should be doing everything possible to encourage her.

mollie123 · 07/09/2016 07:04

she is 19 - an adult who can vote and all the rest
no-one should be telling her what to do - her life, her choice.

MushuDragon · 07/09/2016 07:07

It's nothing to do with your bossy friend.

Oblomov16 · 07/09/2016 07:17

Your 'Aunt' friend is ........ I'm not sure I have the words.
Why haven't you stepped in before? Tell this woman to get lost. Step up to the mark, stop being so spineless and parent your dd properly.

QuiteLikely5 · 07/09/2016 07:38

Could your friend think you are the cause of the anxiety? I mean that kindly.

It looks to me (despite what has been said here) that this woman has been a positive influence in your daughters life and that she has her best interests at heart.

I'm thinking if your daughter struggles at uni this friend will be the first person there to go and see if she's ok.

It's a hard one but anxiety should not be allowed to rule ones life and I admire those taking a stand against it.

I think her going is a risk worth taking.

The only way I'd say it's best to wait is if she is receiving treatment for her anxiety and there is a strong chance she will recover

mammamic · 07/09/2016 17:31

I took 4 years out!!!

Knew I would go, just didn't know when and was sick of studying. Took a year job abroad that ended up being 4 years. Went as a mature student. Age difference only impacted the first year and then we were just all in it together.

As for your 'friend'. She seems to have good intentions but has absolutely no clue about mental health and related issues.

Being firm and supportive, and being over-bearing and forceful are very different...

Vulty · 07/09/2016 17:55

I have had extreme anxiety since I was little and had to leave school early. My !um got to court and stuff it was that bad. When I went to college I dropped out. I felt ashamed. But now I'm glad I did as I clearly wasn't ready.

I this k she's doing the right thing! Plenty of time for education and in the mean time she can build up her confidence and self esteem, work on her anxiety and actually enjoy uni when the time comes!

This friend is doing no good. Shell be feeling pressured and that's not fair. Good luck to her she will do you proud no matter what!

Vulty · 07/09/2016 17:56

Mum got dragged to court* oops

KarmaNoMore · 07/09/2016 18:05

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Bumbalumba · 07/09/2016 18:07

Your daughter should go to university if and when she is ready - you are there to support her in whatever decision she makes and it really isn't anyone else's business.
My daughter is the same age and was very hesitant about whether to go to university or not, but there was huge pressure from all sides (6th form college, friends, etc) to go, which just added to her confusion. She ended up deferring for a year and did other things. It was the best thing she could have done.

No one should be pressuring your daughter in that crass and completely unreasonable way.

ForWhomTheBallTolls · 07/09/2016 18:09

Who is telling you about your daughter???

There are two people that know what's best for her, one is you and the other is her....

AGenie · 07/09/2016 18:24

You need to get rid of that "friend" from your daughter's decision making process. She is a bully and it's none of her business what your daughter does.

Bex2110 · 07/09/2016 18:24

Hi, it's completely up to your daughter. She's an adult and it's her decision. Your 'friend' chose to spend the £70 so you should not feel awkward or pressured in any way especially after you had told her your daughter's concerns.
On a separate note, I work in a students' Union and most unions and universities have advice services available for students with anxiety or other needs. Could I suggest perhaps getting in touch with your daughters potential uni and union just to discuss her worries; they may be able to ease her mind. Ultimately though, it's her choice and she shouldn't feel pressured to do anything she doesn't want to do. Also, lots of student defer a year and I know they don't feel like they have missed out on anything. X

2kids2dogsnosense · 07/09/2016 18:26

It's her choice - another year may be all she needs to get her confidence, especially if she is going to be working and mixing with people - she will also know better whether the course she's chosen is the best one for what she wants to do.

Re: the Stuff. That was a gift - it was unsolicited and offered freely. She can take it with her next year, as someone else suggested. If you/she feels uncomfortable abut keeping it under the circumstances, offer it back to your friend - she can do what she likes with it - return it, keep it, give it back next year, send it to a charity shop -whatever.

Personally I wouldn't offer her the value because no-one asked her to go out and spend this money,and actually what looked like a generous gift was nothing more than an attempt to manipulate your daughter. (Even if this was done with the kindest of motives, it's still unfair, indwell actually increase your daughter's anxiety levels as she will feel under pressure.)

tygarugby · 07/09/2016 18:28

As a former tutor I would say hold off for a year. DD has to be ready and a false start is not what she needs: but congratulations on her A levels.

Janey50 · 07/09/2016 18:39

Simple choice really. Your daughter's happiness,or your friend's?

CasanovaFrankenstein · 07/09/2016 18:42

That's terribly manipulative. Some crockery etc should not be a deciding factor.