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to think DD should not be forced to go to uni because a friend spent £70?

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Bluemoon49 · 06/09/2016 15:14

Apologies for the length of this but wanted to give proper backstory.

DD got accepted into uni this August, is due to start in two weeks. She has long term general anxiety and low self esteem issues. Since results day she has been having second thoughts about going and considering the idea of taking a year out and going to university next September. She definitely wants to go to uni, she just doesn't feel ready for it this year due to a number of reasons. She says she will get a job and do some volunteering in charity events as this is something she's interested in as a career. I have said she can do whatever she wants but she has been very confused and kept changing her mind one way or the other as it's a big decision to defer for a year and she's worried about being a year older when she starts etc

Have told friends that she is having doubts about going this year. There is one in particular, who has known DD since she was 4 and is more like an aunt to her, who is very much of the mind that DD should go this year as it's 'now or never' and if she doesn't go this year she never will. This friend has said to me very firmly that it's up to me to tell DD that she doesn't have a choice and basically force her to go his year. She gets annoyed when I tell her that DD is 19 and can make her own choice and I will support her. She thinks that I am holding her back and DD is being soft/just needs a push from me to get on with her life and that it will be best for her to leave me and be with other young people. I agree with this, but at the moment DD is really depressed, can't get excited about university at all and really feels that it's all happening too fast. I'm worried if she forces herself to go she could end up having a break down and coming home, or at least not making the most of uni.

Now the complicated bit is that DD went to have meningitis jab on Thursday and because she has a phobia of needles and needed someone with her, and I was working, this friend went with her. They then went back to friend's house for lunch. At this point DD was of the mind that she was going to uni as planned this year. My friend had said to me the day before that she would "draw DD out" and "make sure she goes to university". I arrived to pick her up at end of day to find that friend had taken DD out to The Range and bought her a car load of stuff for uni - plates, trays, mugs, cutlery, utensils, pans etc - costing £70. She did this as a 'uni present' for DD as she knows that I couldn't afford to buy her lots of new things and DD was just going to take a few things from home. DD was thrilled with all the lovely things and said that she would go to university this year.

However, as days have passed she has admitted to me that deep down she still doesn't want to go this year and would feel much more comfortable taking a year out. She feels guilty about the £70 that friend spent and feels this means she has to go now. Friend has also planned a party for this Saturday.

Saw friend the other day, along with another friend. Other friend said "so, is it so and so date that DD goes to uni? - that is if she goes!" and friend 1 looked at me meaningfully and said "oh she's going, she has to go, she doesn't have a choice, isn't that right Blue?" and I said "no, she can choose to do whatever she wants." This seemed to annoy friend and she said "yes, but you're not going to tell her that! You tell her she hasn't got a choice!"

DD is very worried that if she chooses not to go to university this year my friend is going to be annoyed. She hasn't said outright that she would be annoyed because of the £70 shopping trip but it seems likely. I know it's an awkward situation and it is embarrassing after she's spent so much, but she chose to do that and DD can still take all the lovely things with her when she goes next year. AIBU to think that DD should be free to defer uni if she wants, despite friend?

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Believeitornot · 06/09/2016 16:16

I'll just add - I don't know if deferring for a year is the right thing or not. Going to uni and moving out is a big deal so bound to be nervous.

Who diagnosed her anxiety? Is she getting any medical help with these issues?

How does her low self esteem present itself?

I would encourage her to list the pros and cons and decide what is best but to talk it through with someone who is truely independent. Does she have an old form tutor for example?

Both you and your friend might be pressing your own agendas here, making it very difficult for your dd to decide.

Beeziekn33ze · 06/09/2016 16:16

Agee with Bogey and many others - your 'friend' should butt out.
Does your DD realise that there will be opportunities to get experience in events organising at uni?

TinklyLittleLaugh · 06/09/2016 16:17

My daughter was in a flat of 10 for her first year. Only one of them had gone straight to Uni after A levels. Let her do what she feels most comfortable doing.

SnakeWitch · 06/09/2016 16:19

I would return the stuff regardless as your DD must be torn without having this blackmail thrown in!

It doesn't matter if she goes now, later or not at all as long as she does the right thing for her. What's the point in going now only to be home and essentially given up by Christmas? That would be the worst thing! You seem very supportive, it must be such a comfort to have you on her side if she's got anxiety and a big decision to make.

If your friend is a friend at all, returning the stuff expressing your gratitude won't matter much.

FinallyHere · 06/09/2016 16:28

Don't give in to blackmail, regardless.

Anyone saying its now or never, has no idea what they are talking about.

HTH

Guiltypleasures001 · 06/09/2016 16:29

Fuck me

Said friend has basically bullied and railroaded your dd in to going to uni, which the poor sod feels under equipped emotionally to deal with right now, and she trying to get you to force her?

This 'friend' is adding to you dd stress and confidence issues, she should be banned from her life seriously, the woman's a menace.

spanky2 · 06/09/2016 16:29

I think Dd should go. I have depression and anxiety, but college was the making of me. I got so much confidence from going. It was brilliant.
It doesn't matter what we all think. Your dd is an adult and can decide herself. She needs a plan to so she is mentally ready for uni next year. Depression and anxiety can be brakes on your life and sometimes you have to go for it.

OnionKnight · 06/09/2016 16:30

Your friend needs to fuck off back to fucksville.

DixieWishbone · 06/09/2016 16:30

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Willow2016 · 06/09/2016 16:33

Tell your friend she isnt living her life through your DD. She has no right to blackmail your dd with a bunch of pans and tea towels!

Your dd is the only one who can decide for herself what she wants to do. IF she feels working and getting experience in her proposed field then thats a good grounding before she starts her course. If she finds she doesnt like it then she can do something else. Win win situation.

Tell your friend to back the hell off and leave your dd alone (and you) and she has absolutely NO say in what your dd decides to do nor what you discuss with dd.

Dont believe the nerve of the woman!

Oh and tell her where to stick her party as thats just another bit of emotional blackmail. "See I have persuaded Blues DD that uni is the right choice and I am throwing a party to let everyone know its all down to ME"
Feck that!

Willow2016 · 06/09/2016 16:35

working and getting experience in her proposed field is what she wants then...

I meant to say!

spanky2 · 06/09/2016 16:35

Your friend is controlling. I'd be pissed off that she took over the role of the parent by getting all that stuff, it's not her place! There's nothing wrong with you giving her stuff from home.
Don't waste your energy on her! Your dd has done amazingly well to get a place at uni, especially while struggling with depression and anxiety. You sound very caring and supportive.

sashh · 06/09/2016 16:35

Your dd sounds more mature than your friend. Surely the gifts can go back or be put away for next year?

Hariasa · 06/09/2016 16:38

Why are you allowing your "friend" to bully both you and your DD?

She is far too involved in your lives.

I wouldn't allow my sister or my Mum to speak to me/my DC that way let alone a friend.

AprilSkies44 · 06/09/2016 16:47

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Bluemoon49 · 06/09/2016 16:50

Thank you for all the replies. I really do think my friend is doing what she thinks is best for both us. As I said she's known DD since she was 4. I think she really cares about both of us and to answer a few of the comments about this, yes I do think she blames my parenting for DDs anxiety. She may even think it's me holding her back. I personally think she should go but I have told her it is completely her choice because I don't want to force her into anything.

I think friend is also thinking about it being good for me. DD has had anxiety since being very young and it can be exhausting for me (Dad does not live with us and she's an only child.) Friend is thinking about me finally getting a break I think. I was looking forward to that too so I'm certainly not holding her back, I would love it if she left home and went to uni, had a great time and was happy.

Don't think DD is worried about leaving me, she knows I was looking forward to going on holiday with friends because I told her and she has sometimes said (during arguments) that she knows me and my friends want rid of her and this is another reason she feels she has to go to uni. I think I have finally managed to get through to her that I really don't mind her staying and she can do what she wants, but she knows I would be perfectly happy for her to go!

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Zombieswillreign · 06/09/2016 16:55

I think for the future you need to distance yrself from this friend....she's getting to involved in yr family...but for this situation, you should step in and say to yr friend she isn't sure what she is doing and we are all giving her space to work it out....stress the all bit and look at friend meaningfully

Planty18 · 06/09/2016 16:58

Absolutely nothing to do with your friend and pretty awful your daughter is even taking her feelings into consideration - you need to take the lead, give her the stuff back.

Hockeydude · 06/09/2016 17:01

Fucking hell, stand up to this bully so your vulnerable dd doesn't have to.

Aeroflotgirl · 06/09/2016 17:04

bluemoon whatever her rationale is for her behaviour, she is too over involved in your lives, and is bullying your dd. You really need to distance yourself from her for your dd sake. I know that she wants you to have a break etc but really the decision rests on your dd, she could well end up dropping out if she is not ready and forced into it.

kissmethere · 06/09/2016 17:09

You know that if your dd feels pressured into this she won't be happy don't you? The friend doesn't sound very caring but very controlling and bullying. She's tried to manipulate your dd by buying all those things so she won't back out of going to uni. Dd has to go because she wants to go and this "friend" needs to learn to take no for an answer. Your dds future is not on her hands.

Damselindestress · 06/09/2016 17:11

Tell your friend to back off. She sounds like one of those people who doesn't understand anxiety and thinks you can just jolly someone out of it or it's a matter of will power. Not everyone is ready for uni straight away, there's no reason it should be now or never. I think your concerns that your DD could have a breakdown if pushed into something she is not ready for are valid. Her health is worth a hell of a lot more than £70! Your friend chose to spend that money knowing she wasn't definitely going to uni and maybe the stuff could be returned or used next year. If you want to be diplomatic, tell your friend that you appreciate her advice but it's your DD's decision and she needs space to make it.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 06/09/2016 17:13

Total derail, but ime kids just lose/break/get robbed of all their nice uni kitchen bits. Unwanted odds and ends or charity shop bits are probably the best route.

Disclaimer, I have given in to DD and spent a few quid at IKEA but no where near £70.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 06/09/2016 17:15

This is your DD, right? So the friend has absolutely no say in this, in reality.

The only people who have any say in whether or not your DD goes to University this year, or indeed at all, are your DD (primarily) and you.

Your friend's heart might be in the right place but she's being an out-and-out bully over this and she needs to back the fuck off.

Her £70 hasn't been wasted - your DD will still be able to use that stuff when she does eventually decide to go, or even if she doesn't, it will be for when she gets her own place.

I honestly do not see where your friend gets off, thinking she has any power in this situation at all! You do need to tell her firmly to take a step back and allow your DD to make her own mind up.

Grapeeatingweirdo · 06/09/2016 17:17

I was forced into uni aged 18 when I had depression and anxiety and it left me with an eating disorder that took six years to beat. I dropped out after a year and my self esteem was shot for ages. Eventually went back at 22 and now hold an undergraduate and a Masters degree.

The short answer is: DD has to live her life and do what she feels is best.

What I will say is that she shouldn't loaf about for a year, she should be doing something to contribute to the running of the house. It will teach her responsibility and also help her self esteem to have a part time job where she can fund things like food and nights out.

She sounds like a lovely girl and you sound like a great mum. Depression is tough at that age because your brain is so crammed with "do it all now or DIE" rhetoric. She will be OK with the right support.