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to think DD should not be forced to go to uni because a friend spent £70?

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Bluemoon49 · 06/09/2016 15:14

Apologies for the length of this but wanted to give proper backstory.

DD got accepted into uni this August, is due to start in two weeks. She has long term general anxiety and low self esteem issues. Since results day she has been having second thoughts about going and considering the idea of taking a year out and going to university next September. She definitely wants to go to uni, she just doesn't feel ready for it this year due to a number of reasons. She says she will get a job and do some volunteering in charity events as this is something she's interested in as a career. I have said she can do whatever she wants but she has been very confused and kept changing her mind one way or the other as it's a big decision to defer for a year and she's worried about being a year older when she starts etc

Have told friends that she is having doubts about going this year. There is one in particular, who has known DD since she was 4 and is more like an aunt to her, who is very much of the mind that DD should go this year as it's 'now or never' and if she doesn't go this year she never will. This friend has said to me very firmly that it's up to me to tell DD that she doesn't have a choice and basically force her to go his year. She gets annoyed when I tell her that DD is 19 and can make her own choice and I will support her. She thinks that I am holding her back and DD is being soft/just needs a push from me to get on with her life and that it will be best for her to leave me and be with other young people. I agree with this, but at the moment DD is really depressed, can't get excited about university at all and really feels that it's all happening too fast. I'm worried if she forces herself to go she could end up having a break down and coming home, or at least not making the most of uni.

Now the complicated bit is that DD went to have meningitis jab on Thursday and because she has a phobia of needles and needed someone with her, and I was working, this friend went with her. They then went back to friend's house for lunch. At this point DD was of the mind that she was going to uni as planned this year. My friend had said to me the day before that she would "draw DD out" and "make sure she goes to university". I arrived to pick her up at end of day to find that friend had taken DD out to The Range and bought her a car load of stuff for uni - plates, trays, mugs, cutlery, utensils, pans etc - costing £70. She did this as a 'uni present' for DD as she knows that I couldn't afford to buy her lots of new things and DD was just going to take a few things from home. DD was thrilled with all the lovely things and said that she would go to university this year.

However, as days have passed she has admitted to me that deep down she still doesn't want to go this year and would feel much more comfortable taking a year out. She feels guilty about the £70 that friend spent and feels this means she has to go now. Friend has also planned a party for this Saturday.

Saw friend the other day, along with another friend. Other friend said "so, is it so and so date that DD goes to uni? - that is if she goes!" and friend 1 looked at me meaningfully and said "oh she's going, she has to go, she doesn't have a choice, isn't that right Blue?" and I said "no, she can choose to do whatever she wants." This seemed to annoy friend and she said "yes, but you're not going to tell her that! You tell her she hasn't got a choice!"

DD is very worried that if she chooses not to go to university this year my friend is going to be annoyed. She hasn't said outright that she would be annoyed because of the £70 shopping trip but it seems likely. I know it's an awkward situation and it is embarrassing after she's spent so much, but she chose to do that and DD can still take all the lovely things with her when she goes next year. AIBU to think that DD should be free to defer uni if she wants, despite friend?

OP posts:
Pimmmms · 06/09/2016 17:17

If she's so anxious why can't she go to a uni close to home? Then when she has made criends and established herself she would be more confident about moving out.

Enidblyton1 · 06/09/2016 17:18

Having read your update, it does sound like you might be (unconsciously) holding your daughter back and adding to her anxiety.
As someone who went to uni when I was only just 18, I think it's a fantastic idea to have a year out and go when you are a bit older. Socially, I could have done with that extra year. If your DD spends her year wisely (working/volunteering/travelling etc) she may feel much more prepared for uni. Your friend seems to have the very best of intentions, but is misguided in her views that your DD needs to go this year.
Can your DD chat with friends/teacher/other adult to gain another perspective?

Laineymc7 · 06/09/2016 17:22

The friend should mind her own business it's not her decision to make. I wish I had have taken a year out before uni to work and experience life a bit. I was too young and picked the wrong course because i didn't really know myself and was kind of expected to go to uni. I did finish the degree but it has not been relevant to the job I did or helped with getting it. I would definitely have benefitted from a year out before uni I feel I would have made better choices. A year out is not a bad idea at all. Lots do it and need a break for a year to experience something different. Support whatever your daughter wants to do. It's her life and she can start uni whenever she feels ready. She's got the grades and can go so there is no rush. The friend chose to spend the £70 so she shouldn't base any decisions on that or feel bad about it.

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 06/09/2016 17:24

Tell your friend to fuck off and possibly don't be as polite as that.
Like Quimby said

Aeroflotgirl · 06/09/2016 17:24

The thing is, she does not have to go within a certain time frame, she has the rest of her life to go to uni if she wants. I don't feel mum is holding her back, she is supporting her decisions, which should be hers only, not pushing her dd in a direction that she thinks is right. Op you sound very supportive, if your dd is not sure of uni at the moment than mabey it is better if she wait.

gillybeanz · 06/09/2016 17:25

Friend needs to butt out and that's no friend actually.
friends are supportive, this woman sounds a bit unhinged tbh.

The things she has bought were all part of her manipulation and you need to tell dd exactly what friend is up to.
She can use them just the same next year, they won't rot.

Tell friend it is none of her business and i take it you didn't agree to a party? Then friend will look a bit of a weirdo when dd doesn't show up.

Aeroflotgirl · 06/09/2016 17:25

Mabey encourage your dd to seek help from the GP about her anxiety, CBT , counselling so that she can spend that time working on that.

ChuffMuffin · 06/09/2016 17:27

Sounds like the main reasoning behind buying your dd those gifts was to try and force her to go to Uni. Nice "friend" you've got there :(

Italiangreyhound · 06/09/2016 17:41

Blue please, please assert yourself and tell this friend to back off. The plates can be returned or simply given to your friend, or stored!

The plates and party are NOT the issue. And you know this. Please reassure your dd of this. Your friend was very wrong to exert this type of pressure.

Get your dd some help for her anxiety, please.

I had anxiety, 18 years ago, it was awful. I had Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for it and it worked very well. I got this through the GP surgery.

Talk to your dd and encourage her to get help. But the university decision is your dd's, end of.

If you need a break from her anxiety, get her some help so she can move on.

Make it clear if she stays she will need to work and support to help with family funds, as you are a single parent and I am guessing child allowance will end if she is not longer in full time ed (??).

IMHO, if she also wants to do voluntary work, great, make sure she ends up doing something fun and exciting, challenging if possible! I ended up doing boring voluntary work like photo copying and filing!

Just see if you gently encourage her to do more stuff. But of course do all this gently, so she takes charge of her future HERSELF.

Notice from my post your 'friend' is not present. She is not required in all this. If she is a real friend, she needs to be there for you. Her tactics are underhand and maybe you should have stopped this long ago!

But it is hard, I am sure, being an single parent and hard dealing with people with anxiety, you've done a good job by your dd but you must now protect her from this over zealous and pushy friend. Whatever her motives, however kind, her tactics are unkind.

Idratherbeaunicorn · 06/09/2016 17:45

You most definitely are NBU!! Your DD needs to do what is best for her - stuff your "friend".

Idratherbeaunicorn · 06/09/2016 17:46

Oh and tell the friend to insert the pots and pans into her bum.

Hockeydude · 06/09/2016 17:57

It's kind of like buying a 4yo a lolly to get them to sit still for a haircut. Friend seems not to have realised your dd is 19, adult and able to think for herself.

stanleyknifestilettoshoescat · 06/09/2016 17:57

It is your daughters choice and if she is not happy with her degree then she is less likely to pass.

however please explain to your daughter that I have gernealised anxiety disorder and depression myself and one year turned into two, and then into three and so on and so forth until you get to the age I am now with one child and no degree and no career... Putting uni off will not make your anxiety better. Getting therapy might though. And it's free and online if you look in the right places. ieso online therapy is the best place if she hasn't tried already. There are also good counsellors at most unis.

She can go to uni now and try and get help and do things to show her brain that there is nothing to be anxious about or she can defer a year and get help for the anxiety and depression. Whatever she chooses to do I hope she has a good year :)

EmeraldIsle100 · 06/09/2016 18:03

OP I agree with the majority of posters, leave her be! Screw anyone else trying to force her to go this year. You were quite right to tell her to do what she wants to do and her idea of getting a job and doing voluntary work sounds like a great idea. She sounds like a great girl and she will find her own way.

Anyone trying to force her to go says more about them than her. She is still young and it would be much kinder to nuture her and help her overcome her anxiety and feelings of depression.

The obsession with going to University pisses me off so much. There are so many other alternatives. Both of my teenage children left school before their A Levels and did amazing courses in our local regional college. I am so glad they didn't commit to a University course when quite frankly they wouldn't have had a clue what they were embarking on.

You sound like a very loving mother, you know instinctively how to look after her and pushing her to go college is not the way.

Ignore those idiots, the low retention rate in first year at University is the best kept secret on the planet. Young people are forced to make choices that they have no idea about and end up leaving their course during the first year. Well done you for being a top mum, she is lucky to have you.

RichardBucket · 06/09/2016 18:08

The only thing you've been U about is not shutting her down when she said this: "My friend had said to me the day before that she would "draw DD out" and "make sure she goes to university"."

Your "friend" sounds totally ignorant about mental health. Please carry on supporting your daughter; you're doing a much better job than this other woman!

Isetan · 06/09/2016 19:02

There's two seperate issues here, firstly there's your pushy 'I know best' supposed friend (you're being far too generous about her motives) and then there's your daughter and her anxiety.

What support is your daughter getting for her anxiety and how bad is it? If you wouldn't leave her alone to go on holiday with your friends, then it sounds pretty bad and going away to University would be a miserable short lived experience for her. Rather than focusing on Uni, which is a big step for even the most confident, how about working towards her being more independent. Do you think she's serious about volunteering or is it something she says to placate you.

There's really nothing to indicate that next year will be any different and I fear that without focus she will just drift, taking the path of least resistance. Not everyone is cut out for University, so exploring other options could well help with the pressure of being expected to go to university.

Tell your 'friend' to back off, your DD is vulnerable and rather than be supportive she's trying to manipulate your DD into doing something she's obviously not confident about. Can I ask why you are allowing both your DD and yourself to be bullied by this woman?

ohfourfoxache · 06/09/2016 19:18

Who the fuck does this "friend" think she is? I'm gob smacked that she thinks this has anything to do with her Angry

flippinada · 06/09/2016 20:49

From your update it sounds (I think) like your friend means well but also doesn't have a good understanding of MHI and is going about things in a rather cackhanded and counter-productive way. I would tell her, firmly and politely, that you appreciate her support but she needs to back off (I do appreciate this is much easier said than done).

What kind of help is your DD getting for her anxiety? It sounds like she could maybe use some extra support wth managing it.

GoldFishFingerz · 06/09/2016 20:53

What an awful forceful friend. I hope your DD follows her heart

shimmybear · 06/09/2016 21:17

The open university maybe worth a look at

SabineUndine · 06/09/2016 21:26

I think your friend needs some boundaries. It looks as if she is going to university vicariously through your daughter. To be blunt, I'd tell her to fuck off and when she's done that fuck off some more. She's adding to your daughter's anxiety by the way she's behaving and I'd make that clear. It's your daughter's decision, and if she feels she needs a breathing space between school and university, that's up to her.

Mycraneisfixed · 06/09/2016 21:27

The friend was wrong to push this. But it sounds like you haven't done much to help your DD to make a decision. It's a cop-out to say it's up to her. If you were making a big decision about where your life was going for the next three years and beyond wouldn't you appreciate significant input from your nearest and dearest? You may choose to disregard it but you'd want their opinion and support.

Iflyaway · 06/09/2016 21:36

Oh, for god's sake, pack the stuff in a box for uni next year and let DD do what feels right for her.

Don't whatever the fuck you do and don't pass that on to DD that other people have control over your own life choices!

It was her choice to buy it. She sounds like she needs a hobby that is not DD

Aeroflotgirl · 06/09/2016 21:40

mycrane don't be so silly, the dd is 19 not 9, of course it's her decision wether to go to uni or not. After all it's the dd who will be doing this uni, not anybody else. Op dies need to help her dd sort her anxiety. Also, dd coukd visit the careers office to find out what she coukd do.

Lorelei76 · 06/09/2016 21:55

sorry OP but this is one of the maddest things I've come across on MN

the £70 is irrelevant even though you put it in your title. Your DD decides whether to go to uni this year or not.

meanwhile I think you should probably ditch this "friend".