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to think my niece is more than just sensitive?

212 replies

mendimoo · 11/08/2016 22:58

My brother, his wife and their 5 year old DD have been staying nearby and visiting for the past week. DN is home educated by SIL and I haven't seen her since she was three until this week because they've been living abroad. Both DB and SIL describe DN as 'sensitive' and they seem to go to great lengths to avoid upsetting her. For example - she can never be asked to do anything immediately, under any circumstances, or she refuses, screams, shouts and cries. She always has to be given notice and told of at least two things that are going to happen first. I.e. I'm going to brush my hair and go to the toilet, then we need to put your shoes on.

If she can't find something, she'll say she can't find it, ask where it is but if someone tells her she absolutely dissolves into hysteria. SIL has to say 'perhaps it could be on the bed/in your bag/in your drawer' even if she can clearly see exactly where it is.

Today we were in a lift and she was running her finger up and down the line of the doors in the middle. A lady told her to mind her fingers when the doors open and DN was whimpering, on the brink of tears, looking absolutely furious and refused to speak to anyone for over half hour. Similarly, the other day she tripped but I caught her before she fell and she behaved as though I'd shoved her in front of a passing car. Earlier in the week when she did actually fall over and had a tiny graze, she was completely hysterical for over an hour and a half.

If people don't talk to her in the 'right' way she completely shuts down and DB and SIL spend a great deal of time and energy trying to coax her back to equilibrium. I have my own children and have worked with children my whole career and I appreciate some are more sensitive than others but this seems extreme to me. I worry that SIL is stuck homeschooling because she knows DN wouldn't cope at school and I want to support her but when I broached it I was told she's 'just sensitive' and will grow out of it.

OP posts:
flossietoot · 11/08/2016 23:54

Sounds like autism. And I am not an expert, but I actually suspect that if they are not addressing this, it is actually a child protection concern as they are doing her a disservice by not getting proper support.

HitsAndMrs · 11/08/2016 23:58

This sounds similar to my DD who possibly has a sensory seeking disorder. She's in the go all the time and need to constant touch things.

HawkingsMead · 12/08/2016 00:04

Flossie it's not a child protection issue - diagnosis and support for children with SN isn't required by law and "non-intervention" doesn't constitute neglect. Many parents intentionally hide diagnosis or think their children will grow out of their 'quirkiness' or that being in school will remediate developmental delays (it won't). And many parents are genuinely unaware of their child's developmental delays. They can't be blamed for that!

Other parents fight for years to get a diagnosis, support and help for their children - even very basic help.

mathanxiety · 12/08/2016 00:07

How was she when she was three, OP?

laidbackneko · 12/08/2016 00:11

I'm not sure. The OP had already concluded autism and posted in a way - that points that way. Not a criticism OP, I'm not suggesting you have anything other than good intentions here.

But a lot of the behaviour described could also be that of an unchallenged/indulged child. She is 5 and if she has had limited interaction with other children and is home schooled by a neurotic mother then she may not be being socialised properly,

wizzywig · 12/08/2016 00:14

Sounds like my asd son

e1y1 · 12/08/2016 00:16

that really does sound extreme.

Probably jumping the gun, but if she is being brought up in this way and nothing changes, how is she going to cope as an adult?

If she cannot cope going to school, she isn't going to cope in Uni/Work.

If it were mine, I would be seeking medical help.

twoandahalftimesthree · 12/08/2016 00:16

Flossietoot, I wish I lived in your world where there was 'support' offered to every autistic child. In my experience ds only got even the most basic level of support by me and dh fighting tooth and nail for years.
FYI they are 'addressing it' in the way they see fit by using what appear to be very appropriate techniques (prior notice of change). They are choosing to home school her most likely because they already know from experience that she struggles in large scale group environments, rather than as some people might assume creating the problem themselves by 'pandering' to her.

manicinsomniac · 12/08/2016 00:17

Not necessarily autism but quite possibly and it seems likely that something isn't quite right.

She sounds a little like my eldest at that age and much older (sensitivity to noise, difficult with food, not using public toilets, overly emotional reactions to very small things, inability to regulate feelings). She used to shut down completely when frightened or uncomfortable and would sometimes publicly 'melt down', self harm or wet herself right up to the age of 10ish. She's still got a lot of emotional problems and severely disordered eating but she isn't autistic. I don't think you can diagnose autism without meeting the child and being a professional.

Just5minswithDacre · 12/08/2016 00:19

I can't believe that posters acknowledging the possibility of autism are nevertheless using terms such as 'pandering' and 'self-centred' ShockAngry

Just5minswithDacre · 12/08/2016 00:23

(The description does sound very PDA, but you're probably best advised to stay out of it OP. You don't seem sympathetic or knowledgable.)

Thornrose · 12/08/2016 00:30

"indulged" and "neurotic mother" BINGO!

HawkingsMead · 12/08/2016 00:36

Agreed just5 re the pandering, etc. Agh. Angry

And we've had 'neurotic mother' thrown in (why wouldn't it be a neurotic father, pray tell?) and 'lack of socialisation'

Jesus wept.

BlackeyedSusan · 12/08/2016 00:38

ds has a melt down if he falls and it is not dealt with properly.

NickiFury · 12/08/2016 00:43

Probably jumping the gun, but if she is being brought up in this way and nothing changes, how is she going to cope as an adult?

If she cannot cope going to school, she isn't going to cope in Uni/Work.

If she does have autism and she sounds almost identical to my did who does, with the right input, support and adjustments it is possible she could learn coping skills and learn to manage in such environments.

Yes and words such as "pandering" are completely inappropriate and display ignorance when used to describe children with possible additional needs.

NickiFury · 12/08/2016 00:44

dd not did, obviously.

laidbackneko · 12/08/2016 00:51

I think the pandering, indulged etc comments were based on the assumption that the OP's niece does not have autism.

Obviously if she does, they would be highly inappropriate words.

The point is we don't know, other than the OP's opinion, what the reality is.

LucyBabs · 12/08/2016 00:58

Maybe I'm missing the post but who said neurotic mother?

manicinsomniac · 12/08/2016 00:59

^^
Even if the little girl is not autistic they are still inappropriate words.

My DD is not autistic. It still wasn't indulging or pandering to her that made her scream hysterically over mashed potatoes aged 5, self harm over an argument with a friend aged 7 or wet herself when told off in class aged 9. Children struggle with things and some are highly sensitive without much reason. It isn't easy to parent them out of it!

laidbackneko · 12/08/2016 01:00

why wouldn't it be a neurotic father, pray tell?

Because the OP said that her brother was laid back whereas her SIL was competitive, driven and the total opposite of each other.

HawkingsMead · 12/08/2016 01:01

Even if the little girl is not autistic they are still inappropriate words.

Agreed.

HawkingsMead · 12/08/2016 01:02

A 'laid back person' could be very neurotic. Neuroses carries many different manifestations.

HawkingsMead · 12/08/2016 01:03

Competitive and driven isn't neurotic.

laidbackneko · 12/08/2016 01:06

Yes, you are right hawk and manic. I haven't chosen my words carefully tonight. Sorry.

Just5minswithDacre · 12/08/2016 01:21

*Loopy
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One of Op's own posts;

I agree completely re: autism. She is very selective with food, despises loud noises, won't use public toilets, has no tact whatsoever and is extremely self centred.