To be hurt and totally pissed off with dh asking if i am pregnant

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Dh has had the snip 6 years ago. I am 10 days late.

Ok I am never late.

I know I'm not pregnant.

Ooh, ooh - can I be the one to derail the thread by sharing something that I learned here about the immaculate conception? It was actually Mary (mother of Jesus) whose conception was immaculate meaning that she was conceived without being tainted by original sin, not that there was no jiggling of genitals involved in the process.
Jesus's conception was covered by the doctrine of the incarnation which barely gets a look in in pop culture.

Anyway...as you were!

Why is it called the 'virgin birth' if genitals were, in fact, jiggled (albeit sinlessly)?
[honest question]

Have you tested OP?

It's called the Virgin birth because Mary was conceived immaculately (no jiggling)

Jesus was also immaculate but the phrase 'Virgin birth' solely refers to Mary and not Jesus (because it doesn't need to be said about Jesus)

Hope that makes sense

Any reasonably intelligent man who has had a reasonably recent vasectomy and was paying attention to what the doctors told him should be fully aware of the risks of failure. He should know full well that it's rare, but it happens. I read a terrible story of a woman who became pregnant after a vasectomy failed, but the clinic who were asked to check the man's sample screwed up and reported wrongly that he still had zero sperm so couldn't have fathered the child. Eventually by a supernatural effort of persuasion she managed to convince him hat she hadn't been cheating, but they ended up accusing the male lodger of raping her in her sleep . When the baby was born DNA tests confirmed that husband was the father and repeated sperm test confirmed that vasectomy had indeed spontaneously reversed.

It's called the Virgin birth because Mary was conceived immaculately (no jiggling)

I am really confused now. So Mary was conceived without sex, i.e. her mum was a virgin? So she is (somehow because of this) without original sin, but jiggled to conceive Jesus (see DoJo's post above).

Is that right?

No, they were both (Mary and Jesus) conceived immaculately but the phrase only refers to Mary as we don't need to say it about Jesus.

Interesting! I didn't know that.

From a genetics point of view, it isn't possible though.

Mary was conceived the normal way, her conception was only immaculate in the sense that she was conceived without original sin.

Her mother was not a virgin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

Doin is right.

Golly, I've never heard of Mary having been an immaculate conception. Catholic schooling was clearly wasted on me

I always thought the original sin was sex. So that doesn't make sense to me at all. But I'm easily confused over religion tbf.

As to OP, I'm assuming you have missed out a big chunk of dialogue in your first post? As 'I'm 10 days late' 'Do you think you might be pregnant' seems a rather reasonable conversation. Unless he said it in a way in which he is blaming you and angry about it or followed it up with 'I thought you had got fat recently' I can't see why it has upset you.

What is an 'original sin'? Sex outside of marriage??

And what on earth does doctrine of the incarnation mean?

From the 30 seconds I just spent on Wikipedia, it doesn't mean either of them (Mary or her Ma) were virgins. They both conceived the traditional way it's just that their babies were born innocent of the original sin. So maybe that means God didn't blame them for the whole apple shenanigans? I guess because they were family so they got special treatment.
I have no idea why I'm doing religion at this time of night but I'm off to Google...

I can't help feeling this isn't the way the OP thought this thread would pan out

I just want to know if she's pregnant :o (the OP. Not Mary.)

I'm actually laughing so hard at this thread. Sorry OP! But it really is very funny

Golly, I've never heard of Mary having been an immaculate conception. Catholic schooling was clearly wasted on me

The feast of the immaculate conception?

December 8th?

When all the culchies came to Dublin to buy their Christmas presents?

Obviously not an Irish Catholic. (The proper kind )

I always thought the original sin was sex.

No, original sin is disobedience. It is the tendency of all human beings to sinfulness.

Mary was the fiest person born without original sin since Adam and Eve.

Sex isn't a sin.

Original sin was created because Adam ate the forbidden fruit and had sex with Eve in the Garden of Eden. Roman Catholics believe that by getting baptised, you are cleansed of original sin.
Op it all depends on how your Dh asked you, if you are pregnant.

So being born without original sin is like having an en utero baptism at the hands of God?

But Mary was still a Virgin, right?

Is this a Catholic thing only, or can I go with this as a CoE?

The Immaculate Conception is only defined doctrine in the Catholic Church. It was theorised and discussed as long ago as the 5th century, and there's a tradition of it in the Byzantine/Orthodox churches as well (the concept predates the schism between the Roman and Orthodox churches by several centuries.) It's not defined as a doctrine in the Anglican communion but I would assume there are Anglican theologians who consider it valid, as it has such ancient traditions.

The Catholic Church formally declared it as doctrine in the mid-19th century.

So being born without original sin is like having an en utero baptism at the hands of God?

Not really.

Immaculate conception means your soul NEVER had the stain of original sin.

It wasn't there to be removed in the first place.

That's how holy you are.

This is the oddest thread de-railment I've ever seen on mumsnet

I'm not sure that other denominations really care about Original Sin any more - and now that Purgatory is no longer canon I'm not sure why Catholics care either.

Meanwhile.

A friend's daughter is a vasectomy fail. She says it's the most awkward conversation she ever had to have with her DH, although in fairness at the time she was a SAHM to two toddlers and a child at school so her opportunities to be inseminated elsewhere were few and far between.

DH has had the snip and I'm very good at taking my OCP, so if I got pregnant (God forbid) then we'd be looking for a star in the east. Doesn't stop me from panicking if I ever get pregnancy-ish symptoms, and because I'm on the pill I don't get a regular bleed anyway. We just keep cheap pregnancy tests for when I'm being totally irrational!

OP, I hope your errant AF shows the fuck up ASAP.

PMSL laughing at this derail