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AIBU?

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To find shy people irritating?

360 replies

BuntingForSummer · 13/07/2016 22:01

My younger cousin is very shy and quiet. She has been like this since as long as I have known her.

She hardly ever speaks. It's not just in social gatherings but even when it's just us with my aunt's family.

Times when I have tried to initiate a conversation, I just receive monosyllabic answers or a very brief answer at best. She just sort of sits there listening and watching everyone. It makes me feel very irritated. I mean I can understand being quiet and shy around strangers but we are family ffs! My aunt says she does speak at home but I literally have never seen her hold a conversation longer than a minute.

AIBU to feel irritated by her behaviour? I have never seen anything like it apart from a colleague at work who is also very very quiet but not to such a degree.

OP posts:
CrotchetQuaverMinim · 15/07/2016 22:18

No, I'd have preferred to be invited! And then not pushed to talk more than I felt able to. That would have been the best way to gradually get me to talk more - to just be accepted as I was.

Being forced to do things - might seem like it worked in the short term - but actually made the stress (including a lot of physical symptoms, like pulling my hair out, etc) worse, because there was nowhere safe. I'd have had to pretend to be confident enough to do whatever parents/teachers were insisting on, enough not to be noticed as finding it hard and thus pushed into doing it more. It was a very fine line, and a lot of stress to manage it all the time, trying to find the least scary compromise.

Being taught, helpfully, to do things, might have been OK, if there wasn't that horrible pressure and scrutiny when I couldn't. Just no respite, ever, never any comfort for the awful feelings.

I didn't have medication as a child, only as an adult when I had mostly grown out of the worst of it. I had beta blockers that help with some of the physical signs. I tried seroxat and others but found them no help.

Badders123 · 15/07/2016 22:38

Maybe she just thinks you're a dick??

GDarling · 15/07/2016 23:22

I met my friend at a dinner dance where both our husbands attended, I tried all night to chat to her but every time she would look to her husband and smile, later when most of the men went out into the bar, I sat next to her and asked her why she looked at her husband so much, as I knew that they had been married for donkeys years, she said that her husband didn't like her talking to other people, especially the boss and his wife!
I said FH...after that we had a great evening, so now I always give the quiet ones a chance to feel comfortable, coz you never know.. You know!!!

LesserofTwoWeevils · 15/07/2016 23:27

I've taken literally dozens of drugs for it, mostly ADs, none of which helped in the least.

The only one that ever helped a bit (but doesn't seem to now) is a benzodiazepine, which many doctors think is habit-forming so they're reluctant to prescribe it.

Oh, and alcohol but that has obvious drawbacks.

SarW · 16/07/2016 00:14

Perhaps she has an autism spectrum condition. People don't choose to be shy. People do choose to be tolerant or intolerant.

SloppyDailyMailJournalism · 16/07/2016 02:54

Perhaps your ignorance renders her speechless.

SloppyDailyMailJournalism · 16/07/2016 02:59

Have read some more if your posts. You seem a little dim, OP. You don't get help for personality traits. You have a stunning lack of understanding that will probably hold you back more than her shyness will hold her back.

Kelechi · 16/07/2016 06:40

I was shy growing up especially around strangers and it was horrible. If she is shy then she can't help it and if it irritates you then it just does. People have been saying that you're not a nice person etc. but if you have genuinely tried to include her and talk to her without letting your irritation show at these family gatherings then they're wrong. She probably appreciates the effort you make and even if she doesn't, as it makes her feel all those horrible emotions associated with shyness, I would say persist as she needs to keep engaging with people. If however it's getting too frustrating then just say hello and leave it at that as you won't be able to hide your irritation and it will make her feel worse which would be horrible. She probably needs particular help with that level of shyness and not everyone is equipped to offer it. Don't feel bad.

BuntingForSummer · 16/07/2016 07:03

Sloppy I'm not suggesting that someone gets help for a personality trait. I'm suggesting getting help for a possible mental health problem. There's quite a difference between the two I'm sure you'd agree.

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shoulddobetta · 16/07/2016 07:30

I consider myself very shy in certain social situations but my nephews girlfriend rarely speaks to rest of family which we all find extremely annoying as she's known us a few years. I don't think poster is being unreasonable in expecting an odd sentence out off her cousin. All you haters have no idea if poster is a loudmouth. All sounds very judgy which is exactly what you're slating her for!

starfish2020 · 16/07/2016 10:34

Wow just wow

Raeanne · 16/07/2016 10:37

OP - I highly suggest that you GTF over yourself.

She's made a VERY wise decision not wanting to talk to you, it seems.

Shyness is awful. It's crippling and comments and attitudes like yours can ruin lives.

You are a horrible, horrible person. If you can have an attitude like that with family, God knows what you are like with friends.

pictish · 16/07/2016 10:42

She's made a VERY wise decision not wanting to talk to you, it seems. You are a horrible, horrible person. If you can have an attitude like that with family, God knows what you are like with friends.

You seem very sure of yourself there. Care to elaborate on why you feel justified in saying such things to the OP?

Floggingmolly · 16/07/2016 10:46

Her mum says she speaks at home without any issues. (surely you weren't crass enough to ask her??) The only times you've personally observed her not talking are (obviously!) when you are there.
The conclusion I would draw from this is that you are the issue.
Your disdain for the poor girl is probably palpable.

pictish · 16/07/2016 11:15

If the OP has got any sense, she'll refrain from returning to this thread. As previously detailed I have sympathy and understanding for shy people but I am far more taken aback by the shit being slung at the OP than about anything she has said. And slung with such self assurance too! As if you'd know.

PortiaFinis · 16/07/2016 11:32

I agree completely with Pictish.

And it is quite possible the OP didn't ask the mother but the mother confided in the OP spontaneously. My husband's aunt often talks about how concerned she is about her son's shyness. (And she's not a bitch or an embarrassing mother who makes it worse by commenting on it all the time. She feels her gorgeous son's shyness is holding him back and doesn't know how to help).

GingeAndTonic · 16/07/2016 13:26

I really want to say something to those people who are saying shy people are dead-wood or not putting in the effort and making them work. I suffer from chronic social anxiety but am high functioning. Most people don't know.

i think I prattle. I try to engage in conversations but although I seem to be doing what you fantastically interesting people do, I seem to miss something out. I talk about the same stuff but it doesn't seem to work. I ask questions of others bit it's not the same.

When I am in a particularly bad place, I am hugely self-absorbed (yep your mum has me bang to rights). I go away at the end of the evening and deconstruct everything I've said, punishing myself for it. But at least some of the commenters here feel OK because they didn't have to do the extra work for me.

And then I move onto my appearance.

People have told me I'm calm and thoughtful, confident. But I know at best they are being nice. More likely, I tell myself, they're bs-ing me or mocking me. As I said, I'm self absorbed.

For what it's worth, I think the OPs cousin has guts to go to these family gatherings. As soon as she gets there, people who should know better, who should be more supportive, are pointing her out as 'the quiet one'. And she still turns up. I don't know if I would.

OP, I think you've been attacked for what others have said in support of you. I would say try not to be irritated; her behaviour is probably not deliberate. I would try to make a friend by being an ally. Maybe point out to those people who talk about her in a disparaging way (if they are doing this without being prompted) what they are doing and how it might be making her feel. They are setting her apart, which is unkind. Say hi to her ask her how she's doing and leave it at that. Continue to be nice but undemanding of her, and she might be more forthcoming.

GingeAndTonic · 16/07/2016 13:26

And sorry for going on.

coco1810 · 16/07/2016 17:03

Wow, well aren't you a bundle of joy? My DD is very shy and it isn't ignorance in anyway. I see the anxiety and stress she goes through every day. Maybe if you took the time to learn about social anxiety she may initiate conversations with you. However, if you post things like this, it seems to me that I wouldn't want to have a conversation with you either.

AddToBasket · 16/07/2016 17:52

OP, you've had a very hard time here. All the people telling you to have some empathy could use some themselves. Please ignore all the ridiculous stuff about how you must be dim/horrible etc. Clearly, you are giving this lots of thought and that's why you posted here anyway.

I am someone who feels shy sometimes but fights through it. I am also someone who has had quite a lot of shy friends and have on occasion found it very wearing. Shy friends who I would invite to things and when they got to whatever event would expect me to do the talking for them and not chat to others I invited. Or want to meet up and then need me to do all the talking, all the asking, all the suggestions for what to do.

This method of interacting has an impact on the other person as well as the shy person, whatever the reasons behind the shyness.

GreenGlassLove · 16/07/2016 18:17

I don't think so. I've known many people who are just cripplingly shy and they're lovely people but I find them very irritating at times. It doesn't mean I'm unsympathetic, it just bugs me.

lazyarse123 · 16/07/2016 21:05

What an absolute bitch. I have a cousin who has social anxiety and is incredibly shy, it has taken her 4 years to get the sort of job she wanted (she has always worked but not doing what she wanted), the shyness has affected her abilities during interviews so she has not come across as capable and intelligent. She has about 6 friends from school (late 20s) she went to university, luckily while still living at home, and did not make a single friend. This shyness affects her every day. You need to be more understanding, just say hello and leave it at that. Angry

P00pchute · 16/07/2016 23:19

Well as someone who has been a member on here for 10 years and never really posted anything, I suppose you could describe me as being one of those 'irritating ' shy people. What really prompted me to respond is the quite baffling idea that being shy is some kind of selfish wilful act - like its a lifestyle choice or something? I tend to swing between being shy, or forcing myself to talk, and making an absolute arse of myself because of nerves (not knowing when to stop, or what is appropriate subject matter.) It's taken a lifetime of being 'shy' and having two Autistic children to realise that I have high functioning Autism. What seems like effortless chitter chatter to some, is nigh on impossible to achieve for others. I'm sorry this may be irritating to some less tolerant people (I'm not actually, I'm being a little facetious, because this has boiled my p1ss slightly), but social anxiety is not something that can be switched on or off. YABU.

BoomBoomsCousin · 17/07/2016 00:04

Being shy isn't selfish. Not working to learn how to behave reasonably in social situations - including how to engage in small talk whether you like someone or not - is selfish. Of course not everyone will be good at it especially at first and it will be beyond the grasp of some people. But if you think all those people who appear to engage in idle chit chat do so effortlessly you are mistaken. It's a skill that takes time and practice to do well, and a fairly boring one for most people.

P00pchute · 17/07/2016 00:47

I don't think that some people quite grasp that there are many humans who find chit-chat a) impossible b) distressing c) literally exhausting. There are times where I sat in my house all day with nothing to eat, because I could not get my head around having to interact with another person. Sometimes it's not quite as simple as putting a little extra effort in. It has to be understood that some people's brains are not hard wired for social interaction, and it's not their fault. If someone is born without the ability to walk, do we say 'well you're obviously being selfish and not making an effort to practice?' It's absolutely not as simple as some seem to think it is.

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