to think it's OK for a guy to be in the ladies if he's with his daughter?

[laurenwiltxx]

I'm reading alot about the issue with trans and toilets recently and got me thinking about times my brother has had to take his daughter to the toilet and was taking her to the Men's (when disabled toilets weren't there or out of order ect) and I protested he take her into the women's as it wasn't appropriate considering men have there things out at the urinals and things, and seats are more likely to be peed on ect. So he began doing so and got alot of looks from women. Ive been thinking about it alot more and do understand its a really hard one. What would you say daddies in the ladies with daughters or should take them in the men's?

I don't understand why males toilets would be more disgusting.Surely the stalls are used less frequently? Or do they jus have fewer of them?

to go in when there's other facilities available because there's "more space" for your kids is shockingly selfish.

Of course it isn't- how do you get into a toilet cublcle with a push chair or 2 or more under 4s?

This whole issue is now rendered irrelevant, given that in 2016, you can be whatever gender/sex/whatever you want, and anyone who says otherwise is an evil Nazi who will shortly be locked up for hate crimes.

Therefore a man can use any toilet he likes, for any reasons, whether it be to accompany his daughter, or simply because he's a pervert.

Lass - I'm not terrified, I find it uncomfortable? Is this really so hard to grasp?

It really does piss me off when I'm challenged on why men in a women's space make me uncomfortable

how do you get into a toilet cublcle with a push chair or 2 or more under 4s?

Well I've managed it plenty of times it's just a squash. A lot of places now have larger cubicles at the end on the main toilets. This really is no excuse to use a disabled loo

how do you get into a toilet cublcle with a push chair or 2 or more under 4s?

simply, you cannot. Most places are too small, so you end up having the leave the door open, the buggy blocking it, but facing you and the toddler in between.. So yeah, in this case, I am using the toilet with disabled access without any problem. Once again, that's where most the changing tables are anyway!

Some new parents area have a sink but no toilet in them, so even if you can change the baby there, you still need somewhere else to go to the loo yourself.

Forgive the flippancy but the first line of the last two posts sounds like the first line of a silly riddle.

How many hamsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Two are enough. The difficult bit is getting them into the light bulb.

andrew

sharknad0

Masses of women have managed a toilet with a buggy and/or two under 4

I do however have every sympathy for someone with triplets or non walking twins....that must be difficult

I go into the men's sometimes because DS can't reach the soap, but I always feel uncomfortable. That's more because men piss in full view though, we do it in cubicles.

Andrew can I use that?

Bathsheba - how old is your son that he can't reach the soap?

Laughing at this as I've just remembered an event in the ladies changing after a swimming lesson. My dd2 was about 5 yrs old and post swimming lesson, (picture lots of naked 3-12 yr olds and several naked ladies too) a little girl and her grandad came into the changing room and made moves to get her changed. I have no idea if he saw the other women/older girls changing but there were squeaks and complaints from the majority. One lady went up to him (a fully dressed one) and asked him to leave the changing room. He explained that he was helping his granddaughter and as she was the one getting changed, he'd used the ladies changing. He was genuinely confused as to why anyone was complaining; he was not the one getting changed and hence why did he have to leave? He did go in the end, but not until his daughter was pretty much changed anyway and by that time another person had gone for a staff member to see if they would make any more headway. Looking back, it was mildly amusing, but my daughters (11 and 13) would be mortified if the same had happened to them. The basic rule for most people I knew was that by the time the child was in Yr 3 (7 yrs old) they had stopped using the opposite sex changing or loos, unless they had special needs.

Shush - how do you know they were a man? How do you know you are woman?

Bathsheba - feel free with the riddle but you really should not be in a men's loo. There are many places from which my gender wrongly excludes yours but that isn't one of them.

I'm imagining men's loos to be like the one in Trainspotting.

I've seen plenty of disgusting womens loos. Pee, poo and blood Heard people vomiting enough times too.

Adults should stick to "their" loo unless there's an emergency. Parent changing facilities need to be in both toilet areas (apparently it's rare to find tables etc in the mens) NT children who are 7+ should be in the correct loo. At school they will probably be changing separately so not a huge leap.

Parent changing facilities need to be in both toilet areas

If only. As you say, they are rarely found in men's loos - and more often now than when my DS (1985 vintage and a very good year too!) was in nappies.

Dear lord!

Young children who still need some help toileting should go in to the toilets for the parent they are with. Young boys with their mums in the women's loos, young girls with their dads in the men's loos.

It's far less fair for a grown man to unexpectedly be in the women's loos (just as it would be far less fair for a woman to unexpectedly be in the men's loos) than for a small child to go in the opposite sex loos.

The only exception would be where the baby change facilities are only available in the women's loos, in which case of course a dad would have to go in there to use them, and hopefully any women who have an issue with this (which is a perfectly understandable issue) will add their complaints to management to get less sexist baby change facilities.

Over the past few days i've noticed quite a few dads out on their own with very young babies and toddlers. I wonder If they find it difficult or easy to find places to change their babies.

Men who find the only baby changing facilities are in the ladies should ask the staff to find them somewhere to change the baby. It might make the management rethink their sexist provision.

Of course an adult male should not be going into the ladies

Well I've been known to go in the mens at times when there's been a massive queue for the ladies.

Maybe we need more unisex/family loos?

I've always thought men must design public loos, not women - or the womens loos would be double the size,

Bambamini You are of course right but we are where we are and better facilities cannot be created out of nothing. I type this in a Seventies shopping centre where the baby-change is, yes, in the ladies' loo. It has been improved to provide a wheelchair ramp and thus Starbucks has wide doors and aisles - almost certainly added since the centre was built - but of course neither of those improvements involved confiscating part of one of the shops which a unisex baby-change room would almost certainly do.

Arising from a post of mine upthread: if you are bf in a room set aside for baby-change and feed would you object to a man coming in to ff and change a baby? Assume he's quiet and respectful and is not staring at you.

Andrew - personally, I probably would have been fine with that, I might feel a little uncomfortable but i bf in public everywhere including flights sandwiched between businessmen. Twas many years ago now though- so just a distant mammary.

When mine were small baby changing facilities were few and far between and I just carried a plastic mat which I placed on the floor or toilet lid or sink area depending on the toilet layout and which bit looked cleanest. It got a good wash when i got home.