to think it's OK for a guy to be in the ladies if he's with his daughter?

[laurenwiltxx]

I'm reading alot about the issue with trans and toilets recently and got me thinking about times my brother has had to take his daughter to the toilet and was taking her to the Men's (when disabled toilets weren't there or out of order ect) and I protested he take her into the women's as it wasn't appropriate considering men have there things out at the urinals and things, and seats are more likely to be peed on ect. So he began doing so and got alot of looks from women. Ive been thinking about it alot more and do understand its a really hard one. What would you say daddies in the ladies with daughters or should take them in the men's?

I always take my DSS into the ladies, I would never take him into the mens!

not read thread but I feel as the ladies loos are enclosed and yo cant see anyting its 100% fine for dad to take dd to the loo.

I would rather that than expose child to the nasties of the male loo, and of course you can see things in the urinals.

I once went to a building where the toilet space was unisex- but there were about a dozen smaller rooms each containing a toilet and sink, each side of a corridor. Ladies to the right, mens to the left which I assume also contained a urinal. I wouldn't mind a setup like that as you still get privacy but don't need to build 2 sets of facilities.

Exactly Beyond. Thank you.

Jeez why all the drama?! DD1 has gone in to pee by herself since she was toilet trained, I or her dad just wait outside for her.
So from the age of about 2-3 years old, your child was completely independent on the toilet and didn't need any help getting herself onto the toilet, wiping herself, then washing and drying her hands? I take it she was very tall for her age? My children weren't tall enough to manage any of that independently at that age.
And what about when the parent needs to wee? Should Dad leave his 3-year-old outside the door on her own while he uses the loo?

Accessible toilets are there for anyone who is unable to use the other toilet for whatever reason. That might include being disabled, but there are other circumstances when it is the only option. There was a place I used to go where I couldn't get my double pushchair into the ladies toilet, so the only toilet I could use was the disabled. I wasn't going to leave 2 babies outside unattended because I needed a wee. (I had not mastered carrying 2 babies whilst weeing)
Years later I needed to use the accessible toilet with my (undiagnosed) disabled son.

We are all dressed when out of the cubicles, contrary to the mens which have urinals.
I think you'll find that men don't feel the need to strip in order to use the urinal.
And I have used a toilet to get changed in, and I've seen a woman standing in her knickers by the hand dryer, drying her skirt that she had just rinsed after spilling her drink down it!
It is a women's only space and therefore should only have women (and young children) in it. No men.

I would rather that than expose child to the nasties of the male loo, and of course you can see things in the urinals.
I'm intrigued. What nasties are in the male loo that are ok for a little boy to see but harmful for a little girl? If the men are the cause of the nastiness, how will allowing the men into the ladies help?
And what "things" can you see in the urinals?

Does no one consider that it's a tad misogynistic to say that women should be absolutely fine with grown men in a women's only toilet, but precious delicate little girls couldn't possibly be exposed to the men's, but little boys can?

There's always a common theme in these toilet arguments - that it has to be the woman giving up her space, not the man

Also I'm gobsmacked that able bodied people think it's fine to use disabled because disabled people would have to wait if there was a disabled person in the toilet. Fair enough if it's the only loo available, but to go in when there's other facilities available because there's "more space" for your kids is shockingly selfish.

I'll confess I did use a disabled toilet a few times when DD was a newborn, because where I live the only changing facilities seem to be in disabled loos - so I only ever used them when I was changing her anyway, and only because a 4th degree tear left me with zero bladder control and in those early days I'd have maybe a 5-second warning before it came out beyond my control. So it was either that or piss myself, but IMO that was an exceptional circumstance! Obviously if I wasn't changing DD I would just leg it to the normal loos. And by the time she was 6mo my bladder control was back to normal!

Could we not call non-disabled people "able-bodied" please.
My able-bodied disabled son needed to use the accessible toilet.

And if the only changing facilities are in the accessible toilet, then of course parents are allowed to use them! Where else are they supposed to use?

You confused me for a second ego, I thought you were somebody else!

DH is a SAHD and so frequently takes DD into the mens if she needs to wee. I've never seen a man in the ladies. I don't particularly care if she sees a penis - it's only a body part.

when the queue it out the door let them use the disabled loos,

I don't get all the extent of preciousness about disable loos.... If there's a queue and I'm with my child needing to go, of course I'll use a vacant disabled toilet. Yes, some disabled people may have continence issues, but so do a fair few able bodied people, especially young children! Do you expect me not to sit on a vacant disabled seat on a bus if it is the only one left (which of course I'd vacate immediately if a disabled person got on).

BeyondVulvaResistance

I thought you were someone else too.

Hi proper ego

I've ran dd into the mens loos before, she was just tt'd busting and there was a massive queue for the ladies and noone would lets us cut in line I announced myself on entering and in each time I heard the door open from the cubicle.

Dad and a toddler needing a wee, wouldn't bother me a jot.

Actually there is no way I would take a little girl in the men's toilets. Men's toilet are disgusting.

My dad took us in the ladies loos in harrods as little kids- many years a go, he called out "ladies I am bringing my daughters in to use the toilet" and came bowling in,

I can't honestly think of a time in a normal place where it would no be ok to bring a girl in the toilet.

Op. You would have no arguments from me.

I also had a son absolutely bursting for the toilet- huge queue outside the ladies so I went into the men's- a man going in called out and made sure the coast was clear and stood and waiting by the door so I could sort my son out. I was incredibly grateful. He was very kind in my moment of panic.

They are loos, I think you have to do what you feel at the time.

It seems to be a new trend to make lavatories for both men and women together - so no separate ladies, no separate gents.

I've seen a chap in the ladies with his daughter. I was too aghast to say anything. There was an accessible one free too.

Op to carry your logic forward should he also be taking her into the ladies' changing rooms if they go swimming? And, should I be taking ds into the mens'?
Yabu - choice of loo should be driven by the sex of the adult rather than the dc.

Actually there is no way I would take a little girl in the men's toilets. Men's toilet are disgusting

But they are OK for little boys and big boys and men? If the men's toilets are routinely so gross that they are unusable then men should campaign for better, less 'disgusting' facilities instead of appropriating the womens.

They are compared to the fragrant ladies loos voyage

They smell. (the loos, not men, well, some men smell, but so do some women)

I'm suffering from post-referendum hysteria.