To think that Boris is going to be p****d?

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Just been announced that Michael Gove is not going to endorse Johnson and is going to run as leader himself.

I reckon Boris is going to be right pissed off.

Who would you chose to be leader?

The energy & resources of both major parties are 100% occupied with their Game of Thrones / fighting like rabid ferrets in a sack.

Yes, we very rarely get a Jon Snow. Or a Daenerys.

Scummy zillionaires like Arron Banks are funding the far right parties like UKIP - and worse, polishing their image with US PR pros. They are no longer a shambles.
They are joining with European fascists - they cooperate better with the EU than our mainstream politicians do.
Murdoch is stirring ever more hate.

Racist thugs are out in the open.
A Leeds Uni sociologist explained the gleeful tone of the racism:
“There is a kind of celebration going on; it’s a celebratory racism. People are expressing a sense of power and success, that they have won,”

If Labour & Tory don't get a grip, the political vacuum will be filled.

And (I'm mixed race, btw) don't think the BME population will continue forever to just suck up massively increased racist abuse without reacting back. Hard. A spiral into anarchy.

What has Westminster to offer the country:^^
Two rooms of headless chickens still running around^^

Gove has committed (at least) two deadly sins

1. Stabbing Boris in the front

2. Being brought up in the North of Scotland and suddenly after going to England and university, changing his accent and becoming a posh boy.

How can he ever be trusted??

What has Theresa May clained for?

But let's face it, Gove, May, Johnson, Corbyn... Let's have any one of them as PM over anyone from UKIP!

I dont think Gove will get anywhere, I think he was right over Boris but the stabbing in the back thing will haunt him. My money is on Theresa May.

Worst case scenario = Weimar Republic = BNP

Has Boris planned it all so TM has to do the difficult years then he can bounce back in 2020 approx ?
Has Gove shot himself in the foot?

'Celebratory racism'? Christ, that's a chilling phrase BigChocFrenzy.

It terrifies me where this country is going and where and how it's all going to end.

And people are still saying that the majority of leave voters weren't motivated by racist bigotry: yeah right.

It's not just this country, pen, and there havw been undercurrents of racism here going back generations, the referendum, our current politicians, Farage in particular, have let this out in the open.

Across Europe, the same story has been unfolding.

You're right WildThings racism is never far from the surface right across the world and during difficult economic times it always gets worse; people want someone to blame and want a scapegoat, which usually manifests itself in the form of racial hatred, which is when people like Farage and his cohorts come into their own.

What frightens me about what's happened here since the referendum, is the way in which overt racism, almost overnight, has become normalised by certain sections of the population.

How long before we see the likes of the BNP gaining seats in the commons again and racist thugs being given the okay to march through our streets.

I suppose racism was once of evolutionary benefit. The selfish gene. Stick to your own. etc etc.

Way back in the lizard brain it's still there, amongst all the other nasties, like hitting out in revenge, xenophobia, hanging and flogging, punishment for pleasure.

Jo Cox's murder was the start of it, her assassin the canary in the mine.

Yes, it is concerning the way that the Tory party is rudderless, and Corbyn has come out with anti Israel comments which were so poorly timed.

Just when we need attention on our expert negotiators on the world stage, the media drags our attention to all this rubbish, and helps fan the flames so that it grows stronger.

I don't like FPTP and I think and I think it played a part in the result as people who feel their vote doesn't normally count used the referendum as a way to protest.
However FPTP does mean that the far right doesn't realistically stand any chance of gaining many seats in a GE.
I'm a natural optimist but I feel incredibly worried about the future at the moment.

If people feel their vote does not count in FPTP, then they should have engaged with the options for some form of PR. Unfortunately the electorate doesn't fully understand the concepts or possibilities of that either. It is too complicated, apparently. At least FPTP saved us from having numerous UKIP MPs!

The need for simple, easily understood messages, in essence, is why we have campaigns, such as Brexit, that relied on simple strap lines and pictures. "Take Britain Back", "Project Fear" pictures of queues of immigrants etc. The electorate is finding it difficult to engage with greater detail so the notion that jobs and services are being taken by foreigners gains appeal and the opportunity to give business, politicians, banks, immigrants, and all faceless bureaucrats a kicking was afforded to them by politicians desperate for votes and to form a government,. We are simple folk at heart, and very easily manipulated.

The electorate is finding it difficult to engage with greater detail so the notion that jobs and services are being taken by foreigners gains appeal

It's almost superseding another stereotype perpetuated by politicians and the media - the idea of lazy, feckless unemployed people, with no consideration for the fact that some areas of the UK with higher unemployment might also be deprived areas, lacking in employment opportunities, where previous thriving industries no longer exist.

That does not follow at all! I was talking about simplistic ideas gaining strength because they are easy to digest. Advertisers use this all the time. The Conservstives used it for Maggie Thatcher. The "Britsin isn't working" campaign. Obama used "Yes We Can". They are easy to remember and the Brexit ones appealed to insecurities.

We have relatively few areas of high unemployment. Thriving industries do not disappear. Industries disappear because they are superseded by knowledge industries and the fact that the product can be made cheaper elsewhere. This is why Labour had a drive to highly educate more people. People can move out of a declining area but it is difficult. Many people do though and perhaps we should not ridicule them for their achievements.

Check out Boris now saying that the government has caused panic by not explaining the positives of Brexit! Pah! That was his job, and he totally fluffed it.

Didn't 52% believe his imaginary benefits to Brexit?

bojorojo
That does not follow at all! I was talking about simplistic ideas gaining strength because they are easy to digest.

Of course it follows. The stereotype to which I referred offers another simplistic, distorted, inaccurate explanation for unemployment (an issue which is not simple but multifactorial - certain areas and communities have access to fewer opportunities). It seems to me that some right leaning media outlets and politicians have gradually shifted their focus on unemployment stories from the idea of idle, benefit claiming British citizens, to the notion of job opportunities being taken by European immigrants.

You seem to suggest a seamless shift in the economic landscape from manufacturing to service industries. Are you oblivious to the long-term effects on communities when e.g. large manufacturing/production employers, on which an area was reliant, shut down and are not replaced? Or the variation in employment levels, especially amongst younger adults, in areas where such operations have closed down? (Or the patterns of voting in such areas?)