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To feel this way about my daughter?

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emmamaw · 29/06/2016 11:44

I'm sitting here crying like a baby over my 11yo dd. I struggle to say dd - as in dear daughter. We've never really been close. Shes the eldest of 3 and often says she wishes she'd stayed an only child. She hates her younger brother (8) and often loses patience and snaps at her baby sister (3). I think she hates me too. The way she speaks to us all is dreadful. I know children are self-centered but she really has no care or consideration for anyone in this house. Every day I wake up dreading what mood shes going to be in. All she cares about is going on the phone/tablet/pc to talk to her best friend and watch videos. I know thats probably pretty normal but if anything gets in the way of that the whole household suffers. If she doesnt want to go somewhere she will purposefully ruin the whole day. We sometimes have to leave her behind when we do day trips etc. just so that the other dc dont miss out. Its like she hates the world around her and wants everyone to know it. Shes always saying she wishes she could go and live with her best friends family, and I truly believe she means it.
This morning I said we would go to town after school, just the two of us, to buy her holiday clothes, as she says she hates what I buy for her and really kicks off if I make her wear them. She shrugged her shoulders and said 'whatever'. Then i found some new underwear I'd bought her hidden behind her bed. When i asked her about it she looked me straight in the eye, and with utter contempt said 'i dont want to wear anything you buy me, and i dont want to go anywhere with you, ever!' I just saw red and smacked her. It scares me sometimes the hate that boils up inside me. I just feel so wretched over her. Shes been like this for years and weve tried everything we can think of. I have great relationships with my partner and other two dcs. I just feel like she ruins everything. She hates me and nothing i do seems to change that. I dread coming home from work and often stay late because I know there'll be trouble as soon as i walk in. I cant live like this for the next seven or whatever years.
How do you learn to live with someone who hates you?

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wallywobbles · 29/06/2016 19:32

I think what might help you is some basic decisions about when it's her problem and when it's yours.

So personal grooming, clothes and the like are not your problem. If she goes to school in a tshirt in winter not your problem. As long as she doesn't smell and her teeth are ok those are your limits.

Clothes shopping. Give her the cash every month. She can chose to save or spend now or later. But give her a reasonable amount. My 11 y.o has 40 euros a month and she has to buy all her clothes and sports stuff. Trainers, riding hat etc. that amount is probably just enough as we have no school uniform. She buys job lots of second hand clothes which works really well for us. Same kids each time.

Does she do any clubs or sports? This would take her out of the house and away from screens best for all probably. Lots of sports also give an element of personal control etc. good for self confidence etc.

We have rules about screen time. We ask quite a lot from our kids and if it wasn't getting done then they'd all loose all screen privileges. But no screens in bedrooms ever pretty much. Unless sick.

Do you think she has self confidence issues?

Are you creating a self confident capable kid who will go on to live independently?

Getting professional help is a good idea. Finding someone she'll talk to may well be tricky. We have but it has taken a long time to get it in place in a way that works for us.

Piemernator · 29/06/2016 19:44

My mother used to love putting really girly puff sleeved blouses and frocks on us. I'm a jeans and t.shirts tomboy. Little sis loved it all and I hated it, I still cringe at the photos. As long as she is clean enough leave her alone.

Believeitornot · 29/06/2016 20:06

I feel sorry for your daughter. She's only 11 and about to have a big transition to secondary school and is going through puberty.

Please get help.

Bluemoon49 · 29/06/2016 20:12

Also, just a quick point about professional help - if you do seek this I would go private if you can afford it. CAMHS waiting lists are very long and even when you get seen your sessions can be three weeks apart. The help can be quite limited and simplistic and my experience was they they tend to spend an awful lot of time writing things down and making plans and then proceeding to do little that actually helps. You also tend to be labelled and (again in my experience) the records that they keep can end up affecting you in later life as social services have access to them. Your DD is very young to be labelled as having mental health issues - a label which is hard to shake throughout life. As others have said we can't really tell whether her behaviour is normal teenager stuff or something more. I think she could do with some help dealing with her emotions but if you can afford private I think that would be the best option, for the quicker help and better quality help but also because its private so its 'off the record' as it were, as it doesn't have to appear on your NHS records.

Also, you should be careful about how you approach the whole 'getting professional help' thing with DD. It may make her feel that you think she has a problem and is 'ill'. This is how I felt when referred for counselling and CAMHS and it actually made my anxiety worse because I felt I was being labelled as crazy. This is also why private is best because instead of going to see someone at 'Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services', which sounds very serious and scary, you are just going to see a counsellor who will 'help you to get on better as a family'.

emmamaw · 29/06/2016 20:59

Wow so many replies - thank you. Im going to read through them all and share with my dp.

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Comfortzone · 29/06/2016 21:08

complex

id start by leaving her alone rather than smacking her. trust me it really doesn't work my mother and my sister were like this all her teenage years with hitting from both parents to her a regular occurrence

my sister now can't form relationships with males and very suspicious with female friendships.

so just leave her alone

Comfortzone · 29/06/2016 21:10

sorry I'm not helpful but I would also unplug the internet completely in your home (discreetly) between certain hours of the day tell her telecoms haven't fixed it yet

minifingerz · 29/06/2016 21:10

I've been hit, screamed at, locked in a room or out of my house, threatened with a power tool, told I'm useless and pathetic and old, had my room trashed by my young teen.

Should my dd have the label of 'abuser' then? Because being on the receiving end of that feels like abuse, and I found it deeply traumatising. Or is abusive behaviour only something adults can do?

And before anyone asks - no dd wasn't bought up in a home where she has seen adults behave like that. DH and I have been together 20 years and are kind and respectful towards each other and our children.

shinynewusername · 29/06/2016 21:13

Everybody old enough to have capacity for their actions is responsible for choosing not to hit, mini. Teenagers can certainly be abusive towards parents. But, in this case, it is the parent who has chosen to hit a child. That is not OK.

emmamaw · 29/06/2016 21:15

emmamaw Wed 29-Jun-16 12:20:14

"She does have shocking taste and no real personal groomibg standard but i try to let her pick from a few options."

Ouch. That hurts me just reading about it. What is wrong with letting her develop her own taste (within family budget and general society expectations)? Why do you need to give her the message that your taste is the right one and hers doesn't matter? I don't think that's a necessary part of parenting at all. Do you feel the same contempt for all her choices?

Let me explain the personal grooming reference. She hates showering, washing, brushing her teeth etc (normal at her age perhaps). She would put dirty clothes back on the next day if I let her. She would go to school with breakfast on her face if I let her.

A lot of people seem to find the hair brushing quite shocking. Her school often sends letters home reminding parents of the need for hair to be neat and tidy. As a mother I think I have a duty to ensure my children are clean at least. Also girls of this age can be horrid to one another and I dont wamt her to be picked on.

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shinynewusername · 29/06/2016 21:15

sorry I'm not helpful but I would also unplug the internet completely in your home (discreetly) between certain hours of the day tell her telecoms haven't fixed it yet

Why would you cut a traumatised child off from sources of support?

BillSykesDog · 29/06/2016 21:16

Abuse of parents by children is a hidden kind of abuse, but it is abuse and it does exist.

However this child has done none of these things. And the fact that another child somewhere else has physically abused their parent doesn't make what is happening to this child okay.

cedricsneer · 29/06/2016 21:23

What a heartening bunch of child-centred responses. Op please, please listen. The message of inadequacy/being the awkward one /not quite being enough, can cause untold damage for the rest of a child's life. Please get some help for her and some for you too.

Comfortzone · 29/06/2016 21:24

I probably meant not cutting off the internet but letting her have an hour after school with a snack to chill out before tackling homework

is she drinking water/eating well? Losing weight/gaining weight?
Friendship problems?
Does she have her own space in the house?
Daily exercise? Can you go out for an evening walk with her couple times a week? Start small complimenting something she did well recently don't wait for a reply but just keep telling her she's beautiful and strong etc

maybe buy her a magazine read together ask her what hairstyles clothes she likes - don't suggest she tries them

does she get pocket money what is it spent on? I'd leave her little presents each week on her bed grooming - body spray/toothpaste / hair clips pack/conditioner shampoo
from those compliments a natural interest in grooming may follow

Believeitornot · 29/06/2016 21:25

Maybe she has low self esteem so doesn't bother to care for herself. Plus it is a way of getting attention from you... Even if negative.

Comfortzone · 29/06/2016 21:26

oh and lower your expectations of her. Massively

emmamaw · 29/06/2016 21:30

throwawayjunefri Wed 29-Jun-16 12:59:31
I am surprised that there are posters on here who are happy to ignore the fact that OP hit her own child because she didn't wear some underwear that OP bought her. Imagine if a woman's DP did that. Everyone would tell her to go to a refuge.

I would like to make it clear that the reason I posted today was because I was so ashamed of myself for lashing out at her. And im not going to make excuses about that, but it was not because she didnt wear the underwear!

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emmamaw · 29/06/2016 21:33

Also to clarify dp is father to all my children. We have a great relationship and he is a brilliant dad. The problem is certainly mainly between myself and dd, but she treats everyone with the same contempt no matter how much love they pour on to her.

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emmamaw · 29/06/2016 21:39

"Sounds to me like a child in pain. Is your partner her father? Is anyone in a position to abuse her or cause her suffering, at home or elsewhere? Have you tried to get counselling?"

I can rule that out. Shes either with us, school or best friends house which she loves going to. She wont go anywhere else. Tbh until today I thought I was just really poorly handling her. The fact that she can behave when she wants to made me feel it was my issue. I know some people seem to thing I'm saying poor little me, im not, I just assumed it was my problem to deal with.

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JammyC · 29/06/2016 21:40

Just a few musings from the perspective of a female who had similar problems with my own mum at that age (and still do in my 30s).

my mum clearly favoured my younger brother and I resented her so much for it. I would step up the mother daughter time and stop excluding her from family days out.

My mum didn't even try to talk to me about my feelings or why I might be upset, just told me off. I would have loved to sit down and let all my teen anxieties out, warts and all, and for her to say it's going to be ok. My dad did this role very well but my mum seems incapable of listening without losing patience and butting in. Just let her rant. Don't take it to heart, she needs to let off steam.

Yes to giving her a budget to go clothes shopping for herself. I hated my mums choices too. But needed a bit of help from time to time to be confident in my choices.

Keep working at it, my mum basically gave up and kept shouting at me whereas my dad took time to listen to me and even if he couldn't solve my woes I knew he could listen, share the burden.

My mum and I have a delicate relationship now and I really think if she'd stopped thinking about how she felt and thought about how I felt we could have gotten on better.

Of course you and your DD may be totally different to me and my mum but thought my own experience may help a little. Good luck Smile

AbernathysFringe · 29/06/2016 21:49

Might be shot down for saying this but less time on the PC/tablet might be good. It can make people really irritable if they're on too much. Do you know what she's doing on there? Is she okay at school?

Batteriesallgone · 29/06/2016 21:49

Oh my gosh that was me. Not tooth brushing, not hair brushing, stewing in my own filth.

I also started self harming at primary school age.

My mum preferred my siblings and found me 'difficult'. I had multiple undiagnosed MH problems. I ended up presenting myself to the school nurse at 15 saying if she didn't do something I would die because I couldn't fight the voices anymore. My mum denied the whole thing and still refuses to talk about my MH.

Don't reject her. She may be desperately ill and you aren't seeing it.

AllegraWho · 29/06/2016 21:50

Should my dd have the label of 'abuser' then? Because being on the receiving end of that feels like abuse, and I found it deeply traumatising. Or is abusive behaviour only something adults can do?

I was just trying to think of a way to say this that didn't make me come across like someone who condoned hitting children then blaming them for it.

I don't think that there is a way to explain how you might be driven to that point. It's not the abusers " she asked for it". She did not ask for it, she did not deserve it, and it was wrong to do so.

But likewise, it's not the case of you choosing to hit. It really isn't about choice at all. It's about breaking inder the strain and losing contact with reality. As I said, I managed not to hit, but I do not think that I hold the moral high ground because of it. I think I was lucky.

So, some people saw the OP , and saw the mother as a monster. Other people, at a different time and place, saw my description of what was happening with my daughter, and saw her as a monster. Those people might read this OP and see this daughter as one.

I just see a family on the brink of endurance. Yeah, the mother should not have hit. I think she knows that. She is asking for help. Some 60 or 70 years ago, a bunch of mother struggling with children who did not bond with them, did not communicate with them, refused physical contact and exhibited violent rages at times, went to ser a US doctor called Kanner. He identified these children as suffering from a previously not described condition, and called.it autism. He then looked at these mothers and decided that the fact they had no bond or affectionate relationship with their children as the cause of their condition.

These women were, dismissively, labelled "refrigerator mothers". Now we know - well, most people.do- that what he was looking was the effect of the condition.

So, when I say that the mothers weren't to blame, am I blaming the children ? No. I am blaming the autism, the lack of understanding of it, and the lack of information and knowledge how to parent appropriate to children who had it.

So, when I say I understand that there are certain situations where a mother might indeed feel like smacking an 11 year old child after years of trying to deal with child's extremely challenging behaviour, I am not blaming the child. I am blaming whatever it is that makes the child hurt, that stops her communicating with her family effectively, and the lack of knowledge and understanding that stops the mother from understanding what this is and how to help it.

Of.course, if you see the child's behaviour as the ordinary mouthiness of a stroppy pre teen, then you will think both me and this mother are twunts.

But if.you lived through what mini and I, and our daughters lived through, you might find it in yourself to empathise.

I hate saying this, because it makes so many people think that I am either flippant or ridiculously overdramatic, but there isn't any other way of putting it across - for me, watching The Exorcist is like watching a ddocumentary with some special effects and supernatural mumbo jumbo thrown in.

In real life though, there is no demon that departs and leaves you with your sweet little daughter. In real life, it was your daughter all along and you have to help her learn how to deal with her demons and keep them from taking over.

Good news is, it can be done. Bad news is, you will go to hell and back in the process.

pearlylum · 29/06/2016 21:55

OP your daughter sounds desperately sad. And you respond by being a bully.

emmamaw · 29/06/2016 21:57

GeordieBadgers Wed 29-Jun-16 14:56:21
"OP you have clearly failed your DCs. I think you need professional help from social services as the situation might escalate and the elders may have school and social deprivation issues."

Wow. My other two are very happy. They are all doing very well in school/nursery. Im sorry that I openly asked for help with an issue for which there is no manual. The fact that I am here says that I love my daughter and want to change this situation. Until you ask for outside help you never really have a sense of how common/uncommon your specific problem is.

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