To urge you now more than ever to support your country

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Not a discussion on Leave v Remain. That s been done to death.
Now that the decision has been made, and our economy is going to take a massive hit, do you think it is reasonable to ask people to support our own economy now and buy goods which are actually manufactured in Britain?

Dacre and people within certain areas voted differently from people within other areas, and so I prefer to support the economies of those areas where the majority of the people voted to Remain, because I think they are more deserving of my support. Short of visiting every farm and business and asking the owner what they voted before deciding whether or not to buy from them, there isn't a lot more I can do. Am I bitter about the result? Hell, yes. And if you really think that the upsurge in expressed racism is nothing to do with the referendum then you are very naive.

They did and they won! Very well done them.

Dacre and people within certain areas voted differently from people within other areas, and so I prefer to support the economies of those areas where the majority of the people voted to Remain, because I think they are more deserving of my support. Short of visiting every farm and business and asking the owner what they voted before deciding whether or not to buy from them, there isn't a lot more I can do. Am I bitter about the result? Hell, yes. And if you really think that the upsurge in expressed racism is nothing to do with the referendum then you are very naive.

Of course the upsurge in crime is linked to the referendum.

The link is that irrational racists are completely misinterpreting the result and the mood as somehow giving the permission to behave in vile ways and commit crime.

You, however, are being equally irrational in trying to discern the vote direction of a fruit grower by the region that they live/work in. Or by punishing them for the votes that their neighbours cast.

How do you know that the fruit farmer you eschew isn't a small europhile concern just as upset by Brexit as you are?

They did vote against Nissan though Mango. Nissan is a huge employer in Sunderland. It told all employees how strongly they felt about the UK remaining in the EU.

We voted out and now Nissan is making the first moves towards shutting down all its Sunderland based factories.

I'm sure Nissan knows its employees have free minds and a free vote they were just telling them what they were going to do if we voted leave. We did and now they're leaving so everyone's happy. Oh, wait.

I never claimed to be rational about this, Dacre. I am not and currently I have no desire to be.

If anyone thinks I'm going to support the economy by going to Wetherspoons any more then they can get fucked.

Oh good. More irrational dislike and discrimination is just what the country needs

(That was in response to pointy)

Your opinion is of supreme indifference to me. Snarkily choosing Scottish raspberries makes me feel better. I am not unpleasant to anyone - I have friends and family who vote Leave. They are still my friends and family. However, I am feeling trapped and upset - my children have experienced xenophobic abuse at school for the first time in their lives and there you go, minimising it with 'Arseholes will be arseholes'. I can't do anything about my residence status because that would mean sending off my passport - meanwhile, my father could die at any moment and I would have to go to Holland literally at the drop of a hat to support my mum. Forgive me for not being happy, it's been just over a week. Your dismissiveness doesn't help anyone either.

Pointy, snarky or not, I hope things pick up for you in rl.

People don't buy British they buy what suits there picket and taste.

It was done to death in the 70s with cars but didn't work.

Better to produce goods the rest of the world want to purchase because they are really good.

It's not a minimisation to say 'arseholes are arseholes' pointy. It's a philosophy for living. Maybe this is your first experience of your children being on the receiving end of any kind of nastiness based on something that shouldn't be a cause of discrimination, but as the parent of children with special needs, let me tell you that you need a mechanism for not taking hate and discrimination on board too much when these incidents happen. You know that it's not an intelligent view and that most people (hopefully) don't think like that.

Ideally, teaching your DD that would be good too, rather than teaching her snark.

I do understand the impulse to snark. Maybe snarkily but strawberries on your own if it helps?

t was patently obvious they were being closed for dogma - as there was still plenty of coal down there

No, it was patently obvious that there were closed because it was no longer economically viable to keep mining, any fool knows that. You might say you buy local, but would you pay 30£ a bag for your British Coal when you could get Polish coal for 10£?

just5 I don't think your suggestion to take racism on the chin is at all fucking helpful. How about people teach their children not to be racist, how about our own fucking government doesn't allow a shitstorm of epic proportions to consume our country and allow racist twats to feel vindicated in such a way by leaving the EU.

All the farms near me had massive Leave posters displayed so they can get to fuck. In fact, Britain can get to fuck. Why the fuck should I support a country that has betrayed my generation? Buying poxy local strawberries won't change the fact that there will be no jobs.

Was it worth the cheaper coal when there was a large bill for unemployment benefit?

There was an avowed intention to break the union: it was ideological.

I didn't suggest 'taking it on the chin' patapouf

Contextualising it in your own mind as coming from bigots (idiots) is not 'taking it on the chin'.

Why the fuck should I support a country that has betrayed my generation?

Which generation has been betrayed?
I voted Leave on behalf of my children's generation (under 18)

Assuming 'my generation' is the 18-24 yr olds, then that would be the ones who didn't bother to vote; if that is the generation you mean, then quite frankly you 'betrayed' yourselves.

MangoMoon

The assumption that the 18-24 cohort didn't vote in great enough numbers is flawed - it's based off an estimate by Sky Data, and the FT drilled into that data set to find that if they'd voted at the same rate as the 45+ group then it would have made no difference to the result.

The old screwed the young. Hope you feel good about condemning your children to poor working conditions in a foreign multinational's sweatshop that makes Sports Direct look like Waitrose.

Hope you feel good about condemning your children to poor working conditions in a foreign multinational's sweatshop that makes Sports Direct look like Waitrose.

Have you cracked the secret to time travel?!

All the age based data is from polls conducted after the event.

From recent polling versus actual election results there is surely now doubt over current polling methods. I suspect a lot of shy leavers here too, maybe particularly amongst the young? Who knows?!