to think it's absoultely disgusting the way Remain supporters are talking about poorer members of society.

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I have seen so many messages on FB saying that the poorer members of society shouldn't have been allowed to vote.
Because apparently, some members of society aren't capable of making decisions for themselves.
How disgusting and patronising is that?

This is talk from people who are supposedly for the best interests of ALL people.

So how does the labour/lib dem 'ethos' work exactly?

It's good to help people.
As long as you don't ever give them any choice?

I have seen lots on FB about idiots voting leave. How people are too stupid to be allowed the vote etc.

I voted leave. I'm educated and highly intelligent. I made my decison based on my own research, not on what may or may not have been said in campaigns.

People have the right to a democratic vote. They have voted. Nasty, spiteful, patronising comments about that vote are unwarranted and serve only to divide us further at a time when we should stand together.

It's not just the working classes btw. A colleague who is like me Oxbridge educated but unlike me very much upper class (minor aristocracy) also voted leave, as did many of their family/ friends.

So convenient as it may be to try and scapegoat uneducated proles for a decison you don't like, it's bollocks.

Most vitriol on my fb btw has come from those who are low earners, carers, etc or aged 25-30. Normally pretty nice, pleasant people, so I can only put their comments down as shock rather than a genuine representation of their views. I hope.

Outists like Boris, Osborne and Lord Rothermere are neither poor nor ill-educated. I'm sure they know which side their bread is buttered on.

Honestly some posts over MN today are reminiscent of a modern day french revolution going on!

Damn these thick peasants for rocking the boat

The peasants are revolting!!!

Brexiters aren't the peasants, they're the fucking aristos, keeping out the immigrants because they're so damn scared that what's theirs will be taken.

Don't kid yourselves.

I live in a very deprived area. I'm intelligent and fairly well educated. My husband has very little education and is also intelligent. We're poor. We both voted remain. I can say with some certainty that most people we know, most people who live here, voted leave because of 'foreigners'. They've told me so. They also vote for ukip at every opportunity. I have no idea about the voting habits of people elsewhere, but people here are racist. My husband has been shocked by some of his close friends. I've always thought they were racist. Turns out they're far more racist than I realised. They are over the moon with what they've done, which is to vote out because they are racist. Screw the economy. They have a whatsapp group, which I've seen today, where they are sharing photos of monkeys etc with racist comments. I don't know how it's relevant to the vote, but they seem to think it is. To be honest, I feel disgusted by most people I know in the local area today. The majority have definitely voted leave because they hate foreigners. It's not wrong to say that that's stupid

The majority have definitely voted leave because they hate foreigners. It's not wrong to say that

Erm yes, yes it is wrong to say that.

How many times have we seen on here people insisting you can extrapolate from your own experience that the majority of people are anything!

What's worrying me reading all of this is that:

1. Clearly some people did vote based on immigration, rather than the issue.

1. Clearly a vast number of people voted out of protest

1. Clearly an even vaster number of people voted out not thinking for a minute it would actually happen.

I am not sure i see the democratic value in a vote where half the country ended up forced into a momentous change to the fabric of our existence for us and future generations based on a "democratic" vote that a lot of people used to express frustration rather than an actual view.

Note to say that although i am firmly in the "remain" camp, I have utmost admiration for those who voted out because they genuinely understood what they were voting for and wanted to do it for what they believed was right.

That's not why I, nor any of the leavers I know voted Leave.

If you're close friends with people who are openly racist, that's a different issue!

Here's a gem from over on Chat left to stand:

Fri 24-Jun-16 09:13:26 - The 'we are not racist' threads are fucking depressing. You might not all be racist but you are all fucking ill-educated intellectually vacant cretins

Oh I have an 'I'm not a racist thread'.

It's must these days what with the minority of frothing swivel eyed Remainers stomping about threatening to take our vote away

Laiste, can you link to the actual thread? I have to read this...

I'm talking about the majority of people in my very small area. It's a council estate. I know this area very well. I have always lived here. There was one mixed race boy at my school when I was a kid. His family had to be rehoused by the council because their windows were smashed in and their 'half breed' children were threatened. We regularly suffer edl protests in the local town. If conversations on the school playground are anything to go by (which they are - the school serves two large council estates and very little else), people only considered immigration. A few didn't know who the prime minister was, not particularly concerned about politics at all, but were going to vote out because of people coming to this country and taking our jobs.

As an aside, I do know people who voted leave and it had nothing to do with foreigners etc. They don't live here though.

They were told what to do by the newspapers. It's depressing. I generally avoid anything even remotely controversial because it's not worth it. People can say all they like that they voted leave and are not racist. That's clearly true for them. I usually enjoy living here because it's what I've always known and people are so down to earth. I don't really want to discuss things with them today now that I've seen the things being shared on the school parents Facebook page and the page set up by residents of our particular estate. I feel so bloody disappointed.

YY Splandy My DH and i voted Remain. We are intelligent people. We are working class social housing tenants. My DH is 66 and im 43.

I have an Italian mother DH had a Polish father who was in the RAF. Do you know what we found in his papers after he died? Some papers showing involvement with the French Resistance.

Im getting sick of the stereotyping about working class people. We voted Remain to protect peoples rights and because we knew what would happen to the economy with Leave. It was a no brainer for us.

I live in a town in Essex where the majority vote was Leave.

Got to love MNetters for completely failing to see the point of a post.

"..who swung a vote..." does not refer to the entire number of people who voted in that way. It actually makes no difference what 17 million people did, it only actually makes a difference what around a million of those people did because without their vote, the country would not be facing the economic shitstorm which is about to happen.

And yes, I firmly believe it is entirely possible there are around one million knuckle dragging racist wankers out there.

I haven't seen any posts like that...

I have seen 'the older generations e.g. 65+ votes have decided the future for generations like 18-24 year olds and school children' posts... At the moment I do agree with that, but that's because I'm angry, anxious, scared about what lies ahead in my future. I'm scared that I won't get as many opportunities after I graduate and that I'll end up on JSA despite spending the last 4 years of my life studying for my degree.

I used to be proud of this country and the fact I'm British (not to the point of being a patriot/nationalist though) but right now, I'm feeling the complete opposite.

Perhaps when I graduate, I may leave this country and go abroad for a while to get away from it all... Who knows?

But this is how I'm feeling right now, I can't speak for anybody else but myself.

Alot of Remainers seem to have voted, not out of a rational consideration of the pros and cons but out of a mistaken notion that the EU is a benevolent organisation promoting peace and love.

It's frightening to think that a lot of people voted to stay based on' such flimsy feelings
I suppose that's what happens when 'lay' people get the vote

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It's frightening to think that a lot of people voted to stay based on' such flimsy feelings

Oh ffs.

I haven't seen any posts like that. What I have seen is despair that it's the poorest in our country who will be hardest hit by the reality of what is coming. I fully understand why many of them voted as they did, but sadly they were taken in by a bunch of liars and fantasists who are already backtracking hugely (see Farage on Good Morning Britain this morning if you haven't already).

The pound has fallen off a cliff, companies are already starting to relocate elsewhere in the EU and this will lead to higher prices, less tax revenues for HMRC and more austerity - especially with a right-wing government which is what we will now get.

And no more EU funds subsidising infrastructure etc in the poorest areas in the country. No more EU funds for the NHS, or for research.

Things will get a lot harder for the poorest in Britain. And the only reason that immigration will lessen a little is because it won't be attractive to come here anymore when there are no jobs. We will still have to agree to free movement with all of the EU if we want access to the single market, which accounts for half our exports. The Tories are never going to endanger this so EU migrants will still be as welcome as ever.

Which companies have actually said, as of today, they are immediately relocating their entire operation?

I've seen lots that are considering their position but none that have actually started taking steps to leave.

You think multinational conglomorates would make steps to leave in 12 hours?

Fucks sake its like talking to walls.