to think it's absoultely disgusting the way Remain supporters are talking about poorer members of society.

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I have seen so many messages on FB saying that the poorer members of society shouldn't have been allowed to vote.
Because apparently, some members of society aren't capable of making decisions for themselves.
How disgusting and patronising is that?

This is talk from people who are supposedly for the best interests of ALL people.

So how does the labour/lib dem 'ethos' work exactly?

It's good to help people.
As long as you don't ever give them any choice?

Family is difficult. And It just isn't acceptable to be calling one another traitors. I would make a point of objecting to that, at some point. I think the whole traitor / quisling personal abuse pathway is very dangerous. When I say civil upthread that also includes putting down boundaries on talk such as that.

Can you tell I've thought about this crap a wee bit!

Agree OP. One of my "friends" was whining on FB that "elderly voters will be dead soon and shouldn't be able to vote" whilst castigating "racist assholes". I called her out for ageism and got myself deleted! What a relief! Daft old bint.

But they are uneducated and massively ignorant. I have family members who voted leave. Decent enough people, but they rarely watch the news, have never voted in previous general elections, probably couldn't tell you who the name of the prime minister or leader of the opposition, don't understand what a recession is. They've only seen the immigration carrot dangled in front of their faces, but then they are happy enough to go on their jollies to Spain, Portugal, Greece, etc and reap the benefits of being an EU citizen.

I love them but I could happily Shake them this morning.

Squoosh

"I'm a nice person and I have nice friends."
Maybe you are a nice person but you've made some pretty sarcastic comments to people you don't agree with.

Is sarcasm banned in our wonderful new UK?

I'm a little confused at all the people who claim to have not seen any of this. Are we on the same site? Many of the nasty comments in the OP have been made here as well as other places.

Not saying that I agree with it, but there is an old political trope that the poor traditionally vote against their best interests.

The fact is, the poorer sections of our society are very likely to suffer because of this. A hell of a lot of money and resources and millions of jobs are going to leave the country. That's a fact.

Our Tory government will heavily prioritize protecting the financial sector, and things like working tax credits and ESA may go to pay for it. Osborne now has the chance to put the boot in as hard as he likes, and no-one can complain really because 52% of us wanted this. He spent six years blaming everything on Labour, and now he'll have an even better scapegoat...

Perhaps in the interests of not sinking into the negative pit of blame culture the people on this thread could help me out with this "How to Make Britain a better country" on @MumsnetTowers www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2669561-How-to-Make-Britain-a-better-country … Any ideas??

emeraldlakes, I agree. How can people claim to have not seen this if they are on MN? Someone on a different thread just called leave voters 'cretinous idiots' just as one small example...

I wasn't talking about you cake, don't worry, I wasn't accusing you of being nice! No, I don't think civility is to be maintained at all costs. There are more important things. Not that I agree with the level of hatred that is being incited on both sides, often over little. But when it comes to people demanding I "respect their views even if you don't agree with them"..well, I won't, when I have zero respect for their views, and I respect them less because they hold those views. I remain polite where I can.

Haven't seen anything like that. Unless you're making the unfounded assumption that the people remainers are actually cross with - the people ignorant enough to believe the lies in the express and the sun, who caused this mess are all poor? You're out of order if that's what you're assuming.

Well quite frankly Leave voters have just ruined the economy. And they were told that would happen. So it wasn't really the sharpest move in the world was it?

The fact is, the poorer sections of our society are very likely to suffer because of this. A hell of a lot of money and resources and millions of jobs are going to leave the country. That's a fact.

And all for a protest vote on the 23rd June 2016. I wonder if they'll think it worth it. I really doubt it.

My FB feed is the same OP, and it isn't my actual friends, it is all the people I know through work, so there would be consequences of deleting them.

There are various gifs going around that are combinations of job centre, obese person, council housing etc appearing on my feed. They've certainly been liked by more people than just a couple I know.

I don't respond to them because a. work and b. I get that they are upset right now.

There are also various comments about how it will be different when the old people die.

I understand that political debate is divisive, but there are prejudices of all kinds very deeply entrenched there too, and it has opened my eyes to something I'm not sure I understand or was prepared for.

'We will get over it, move on and rebuild. We're British for goodness sake, it's what we do best!'

Do you remember when Blair got in with a landslide victory whenever it was? The Tories showed their nasty side, "It'll all go wrong, you'll see." They were acting like babies spitting their dummies out. Some of these political types are terrible human beings.

I have seen nothing like that at all. I do believe, however, that the full implications of Brexit are beyond the understanding of "lay" people, who are not involved in politics, finance, economics and trade, and this is exactly why we are supposed to have a government in the first place - people we elect to make these extremely difficult and nuanced decisions for us.

The limited understanding that educated and well-informed British people have of what leave/remain would mean only highlights what an unfair position less well educated people were put in by being asked to vote on something that they can't possibly make an informed decision on.

The referendum was fundamentally inappropriate and unfair on all of us, and exposed huge numbers of people to selfish and potentially catastrophic political manipulation.

The odd thing about all this "thick, racist" abuse that Leavers have been getting is that a lot of Remainers seem to have voted, not out of a rational consideration of the pros and cons but out of a mistaken notion that the EU is a benevolent organisation promoting peace and love. My FB feed this morning is full of comments from Remainers who are vastly, disproportionately angry about leaving an institution that ultimately is a capitalist club for facilitating trade.

That's great for you Hands. In the meantime I'll concentrate on the reality of the situation.