to think it's absoultely disgusting the way Remain supporters are talking about poorer members of society.

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I have seen so many messages on FB saying that the poorer members of society shouldn't have been allowed to vote.
Because apparently, some members of society aren't capable of making decisions for themselves.
How disgusting and patronising is that?

This is talk from people who are supposedly for the best interests of ALL people.

So how does the labour/lib dem 'ethos' work exactly?

It's good to help people.
As long as you don't ever give them any choice?

It has been enjoyable seeing all my "progressive" FB friends railing against the "racist thickos" who have perpetrated this terrible crime of voting Leave.

No-one hates the poor and the working classes as much as the Liberal Left. And I include in that the majority of Mumsnetters.

I think people to stupid to grasp the argument and realise everything the brexit campaign said was a lie shouldn't have been allowed to vote.

In a sense, I agree with this as a lot of people were making uninformed decisions. What rubs me the wrong way is that Remainers are claiming it's the Leave side that got all the "stupid" people votes. People who didn't really understand the vote and its implications voted both ways and I'm fed up of this rhetoric of "dumb people voted leave because they're dumb".

There have been some very unclassy things been said by my fellow remainers. Quite embarrassed by it

I don't think it is a rich/poor thing, but it is no coincidence that there is a strong correlation between education level and which way people voted.

It is mind boggling to read people saying this is a 'good thing for the working classes'

This vote means Cameron will get swapped for Boris, who, in case anyone had failed to notice, isn't exactly a friend of the poor.
Corbyn, probably the best chance the working classes ever had, will be gone by next week.
If the markets don't pick up in a week or so, this will be the start of a recession and it will hit the poor the hardest. Again.

It isn't rude or patronising to point out that voting for something that will ultimately screw you over is idiotic, and that some people need saving from themselves occasionally...

No-one hates the poor and the working classes as much as the Liberal Left. And I include in that the majority of Mumsnetters.

You are misguided. The working classes will suffer the most from this. Millionaires like Johnson and Farage just got a major career boost.

I wasn't the poor who voted to leave. It was the old.

As a remainer, I think we lost because too many of the Remain camp alienated people who were undecided.

I couldn't have put it better myself bran. Since the referendum was announced I was voting Remain. So I didn't engage much with the campaign. But when I did I was often exasperatated and a couple of times thought, had I not made up my mind Remain would have convinced me to leave.

DH and I did a lot of digging for information. We also got a load of rubbishy flyers in the post telling us the NHS would be £350m better off if we left, nasty house taking immigrants will go home, Britain will be Great again rar rar rar.

The Remain campaign seemed to bank on people taking note of big businesses warning the sky would fall in. Not as effective it would seem.

I actually think it rubbed people up the wrong way Squidge. A leave vote was presented as "one of the eye" for big corporates and the elite. And in one sense, it is.

Obama et al did Remain no favours at all. Nothing pisses a certain type of Brit off more than being told what's best for them! Especially by a forriner!

All your FB feed means, OP is that you have the wrong friends.

Many Remain voters are the "poorer members of society". and as of this morning are set to get even poorer.

Hope that helps.

One in the eye - sorry, sausage fingers and myopia again!

I have certainly not seen any comments along the lines of poor people shouldn't be allowed to vote, that would be utterly offensive. Quite a lot of younger people are, however, angry with the over 50s, most of whom voted to leave, when it is the younger generations who will have to pick up the pieces for decades to come.

The ins and outs of EU membership are far too complex to be settled by a referendum. It should never have been held. There is one person who is squarely to blame for this - David Cameron. He who has presided over years of economy-squeezing austerity cuts which somehow have been blamed on our EU membership, and then promising a fucking referendum in order to get voted back into power.

Don't get me started on Boris who everyone knows couldn't care less whether we leave the EU. He just wants to be PM, so he has sold all our children's futures down the swanny for his own career gain. I'd like to know where he is going to pluck the £350 million per week to give to the NHS from. He has promised it, after all, despite knowing very well that the figure is an outright lie.

Immigration is a non-issue. Last year we had the highest number of immigrants ever - 330,000, a mere 0.5% rise in our population.

I have certainly not seen any comments along the lines of poor people shouldn't be allowed to vote, that would be utterly offensive.

Really? Have look over here! :)

Auti That thread is incredibly sad...

I think there are a fairly sizeable group of people who voted to leave who really shouldn't have been allowed to vote. The kind of people who think killing an MP for her views is perfectly acceptable. Unfortunately democracy means they get to vote and I suspect it was, at least in part, those sorts of people who may have swung the vote.

To say any debate about immigration was shut down as racist is laughable. The whole bloody campaign has been about immigration. It was one of the things that turned me away from leave. I couldn't care less what people think about immigration, but I do care very much about people believing immigration is the cause of the UKs ills. You will not get a doctor's appointment any easier when we come out of the EU. Schools will not be less full when we come out of the EU. Jobs will be no easier to come by when we come out of the EU.

I think there are a fairly sizeable group of people who voted to leave who really shouldn't have been allowed to vote. The kind of people who think killing an MP for her views is perfectly acceptable. Unfortunately democracy means they get to vote and I suspect it was, at least in part, those sorts of people who may have swung the vote.

Oh really?

So all these knuckle-dragging horrific racists...can any of the Remainer's insisting a large proportion of the voters answer me this.

Why didn't the BNP have a bigger following. I mean 17 million of us are massive xenophobic racists, why haven't we been voting for the BNP?

Ukip got some extra protest votes, still not 17 million though was it.

Why do you think all of these deeply racist people waited until now, until the 24/06/16, to show that they hate other cultures so so much?

Yanbu. It's crazy, my children are mixed race, but apparently I and all my mixed race friends who voted Leave are racists

Also we're thick, even though most have good jobs and degrees maybe if some of the remain protagonists had more empathy and understanding of people and politics they wouldn't be so angry.

I can travel to the US easily, so why would travelling to Europe suddenly become difficult in fact I've travelled round the world, I don't think a British passport without EU membership is suddenly going to become poisonous.

I think there are a fairly sizeable group of people who voted to leave who really shouldn't have been allowed to vote

Again, why is it only the people who disagreed with your POV? If it's because they're uneducated, do you think no uneducated people voted Remain? Is it because they've never voted before? Or because they were looking out for their own interests? Anything you can come up with to say that they shouldn't have been allowed to vote could apply to a group of people within the Remain group also.

Auti - maybe I have skim read that thread too quickly, but I can't see who is saying poor people shouldn't be allowed to vote...

Originalfoogirl I think you are quite misguided to talk of -

" a fairly sizeable group..the kind of people who think killing an MP for her views is perfectly acceptable."

And to make matters even worse someone has started posting Owen Jones quotes on my FB feed now. Okay, I've left her unhidden for too long. Clearly the time has come...

Quite a lot of younger people are, however, angry with the over 50s, most of whom voted to leave, when it is the younger generations who will have to pick up the pieces for decades to come.

While I wouldn't disagree with this, if you replace the word 'leave' with 'conservative' you could be talking about the GA. It's notoriously hard to get younger voters into the booths. Perhaps todays result will encourage more youngsters to become engaged in politics.

I wonder what the % of 'young' votes there were in this referendum compared to the last GA out of interest?

I wonder if anyone