To be worried that the Brexiteers might be wrong and an economic disaster is waiting if we leave?

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What if we wake up on Friday out of the EU, probably nothing immediately other than some soul searching by the remainders. But what about in the months to come? What if all the economists and world leaders were right? We could be heading down the swanny big time, companies moving to the EU proper, jobs going left right and centre, deficit increasing because of lost revenues (taxes, vat etc).

I've listened to the fervent Brexiteers who have dismissed everything put to them as propaganda and yet they still haven't come up with a plan to counter the 'what if' scenarios. Am I the only one to be worried that nobody has a plan B if the economy does slow down to tune of 1.4%to 6% as predicted bearing in mind that a reduction of just 0.4% would counteract any saving to be made on what we contribute to the EU?

gonetoseeaman

it is overwhelmingly advantageous to continue with what we've got.

The one absolute cast iron guarantee in all of this is that we will not be continuing with what we have got. all politicians from all sides agree on this.

if this is your basis for voting to stay in, then I suggest you keep away from the news for the next couple of years because it is all going to be about losing our veto, closer integration etc etc.

Look at it this way, if someone treats you like shit and you threaten to leave then you change your mind and stay, do they then suddenly change how they treat you or do they treat you even worse knowing that no matter how badly they have treated you in the past you have still stayed so they might as well push the boundaries whilst you are down. Human nature. and the EU just cant wait to heap the shit on us when they think we are down.

I do think of her as 'ours'. She's very local, has been very involved in local issues prior to her election, and I have no doubt she's going to work hard for us.

So there is absolutely no one in the country on a workfare placement AT ALL.

No, I didn't mean it in that sense mummy, you're right about that.

I'll say it again thecatfromjapan

I could not give one shiny shit about the pro-leave conservatives.

we live in a democracy. they are in power at the moment because under our system they got elected.

if I and others don't like what they are doing, then we can vote them out. if more people like what they are doing than don't like what they are doing and vote them in then I will suck that up and work away as I always have done.

Europe is massive. if you don't like the democratic process in this country because you end up with a govt you don't like, then magnify that several times when it comes to the EU because even if you like what your MEP does you/she has bugger all influence in the stale, pale and male dominated Europe.

apparently the leave banner was unfortunate according to the Metro - not that many will accept it might have been an unfortunate coincidence.

The fly past over Westminster towards Tower Bridge was scheduled for today last Friday before the memorial service to Jo Cox had been arranged.

It was originally scheduled to take off at 12pm but was delayed until 1pm and then 3.30pm because of adverse weather conditions.

But no, our relationship with the EU does not work like an abusive relationship. I think you're a bit carried away there. Not leaving now wouldn't mean we wouldn't leave later.

The vast majority of significant laws that affect our lives begin in Britain. Some of those which don't should have begun in Britain and we won't regret them until they're no longer here to protect us.

We have voted politicians into power in our democracy who we pay to have a high level of expertise and to negotiate on our behalf. We also have experts in many fields. For the most part, those politicians we've elected and experts in every field from business to medicine to the arts have given their considered opinion that the EU is a better option for the country. That is democracy.

Our politicians aren't in a position to act for us as if we were the only pebbles on the beach no matter how isolated we become, so removing ourselves from Europe won't necessarily make us more autonomous or powerful. It could have the opposite effect, not to mention increasing our vulnerability to terrorism. There is no perfect world in which we won't have to make things work with Brussels, which is likely to look similar to what we have now. We're always going to be in bed together whether we like it or not - and it works for us in many ways. I think you may not realise how well it was working for us in many respects until it's over.

Our elected representatives (and tellingly, the opposition too) are broadly in agreement on this. Surely that should be telling you something? Boris parading about on a hovercraft is all very well but a vote for him is insanity. And yes, it would also be a vote for him.

I don't see the point in worrying over it.

What ever way you vote, it is a risk!
Vote leave- yes the worst that "in" mp's would have you believe could happen but it just as easily might not
Vote remain- people could well regret that decision in the future

The truth is even the "Experts" do not know for sure what will happen

Gosh pink, people could well regret a leave decision in the future!

If we vote to leave, we will still have to accept free movement of people as part of staying in the single currency. If we leave the single market, there will be enormous economic damage. The only difference if we're outside the EU is having no input into the rules they make around what free movement of people looks like. So unless we're planning to leave the single market we will have less say over what happens to us after Brexit.

Sound like something we might regret?

Gosh pink, people could well regret a leave decision in the future!

People could well regret a remain vote.

Can you see onto the future?

Obviously Brexiteers are wrong, there's no "might be" about it. You only look at their total inability to produce something resembling evidence in support of what they say.

Everyone thinks Brexit will hurt us economically, you know. Only difference is, Brexiters think it's worth it.

But almost everyone we've elected to look out for our interests, and a vast majority of experts we haven't but who simply know their stuff, think the price is too high. Even Cameron and Corbyn agree on this and what are the chances they'd have the same vested interests? Who doesn't agree? Well, Boris. Farage.

gometoseeaman, you really think you would see another referendum in your lifetime bearing in mind that this one has taken so long to come about and only because the tories knew they wouldn't get into power if they didn't say they would hold one.

this is a once in my lifetime opportunity.

as for politicians being in agreement, that's not what Corbyn said when I heard him speak albeit a few years ago. he was vehemently against the eu then. he is for once toeing the party line but it is obvious he doesn't agree with it.

I can't predict the future little but neither can the poster I was responding to. However a great many experts have a consensus about what the future might well be like post-brexit and you'd be a fool to ignore it.

The only difference if we're outside the EU is having no input into the rules they make around what free movement of people looks like.

If this happens it will be interesting to see how much difference our theoretical input (or lack of) actually makes. Free movement is just that - there isn't a lot of "input" to be had (even if you think we have any).

No mummy you don't get to say Corbyn means something other than what he is saying. Don't be ridiculous.

Corbyn of all people. His followers tear their hair out wishing he'd toe the party line. There are many things we could accuse him of but toeing the party line isn't one of them.

what about camerons total inability to get a written binding agreement on his so called "red lines"

what about the eu's total inability to pass an audit?

Augusta I am not wrong, I just hold a different opinion than you do.

gonetoseeaman I agree with you. in my opinion the pain is worth the gain.

There are many things we could accuse him of but toeing the party line isn't one of them.

Huge difference between being a back bencher and being a party leader.

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Free movement won't be boundaryless in the future, and the only certainty with a leave vote is those boundaries won't reflect our desires and interests because we won't have been at the table.

what ever way you vote it is a risk Absouletly YES to this, the truth of it is nobody knows for sure what would happen if we left or how the future would be if we stayed all "experts" do is predict.
Whatever way you choose to vote you could end up regretting it in the future.
I do however believe we won't ever get another referendum if the public vote stay tomorrow.

I was there gonetoseeaman I heard him speak. I know exactly what he said. he wanted out of Europe. google it and you can probably find a transcript. no phones in those days so no physical evidence but I worked in London, was a very active trade unionist and went to many meetings where he and the other London labourites spoke.

I could not give one shiny shit about the pro-leave conservatives.

I 100% agree with this MM - and similarly all those infographics comparing the House of Lords with the EU are an utter, utter irrelevance.

We are being given an opportunity to vote upon membership of the EU, that is all.

Everything else about personalities and so on is nonsense.

But mummy you are self-employed. Your business isn't going to pack up and leave next week. You're clearly able to work so no tearing up of human rights laws will affect disability benefits. Of course you think it's worth it. When I think of the cost to our citizens, I'm not worrying about you.

The EU is going to change and everyone agrees on that. But it doesn't follow that we'll be better off out of it.

Clearly the costs don't factor much with you and you're unwilling to face the probable limitations of the perceived gains. Fair enough, I accept you've a right to use your vote how you wish.

sparkle You will be thanking your lucky stars if the 'experts' you're dismissing will be willing to try and mitigate the mess post-Brexit. They may not.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog

Please share your crystal ball about how free movement is going to change in future and how being outside the EU will be to our disadvantage. Also if you have next week's lottery numbers, that would be great.