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to be upset at constantly being left out of holidays?

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NeonPegasus · 14/06/2016 14:53

DH and I have been together for five years. We have one daughter together, I already had three when we met and he has two lovely daughters as well. All the children get on well.

I haven't had a holiday for seven years. DH goes away with his mum and his daughters every year, but this year I've started to wonder why the rest of us aren't ever invited. I sometimes get a half-assed invite from his mum but I'm expected to leave my other three children (who've NEVER had a holiday) at home with family while I go, and I'm not really comfortable with doing that, it doesn't seem fair that I'm on holiday with their sister while they spend the week with my parents.

They decided they weren't going away this year. That it was easier to involve everyone if we planned lots of little days out instead, which I thought sounded like a great idea. We live in a place which is near enough to lots of attractions that we can feasibly do that without much difficulty. I was really looking forward to it.

Then, out of the blue this morning his mum decides she wants to go to Center Parcs, and she's booked it for them in August. As in her, DH and the three girls. I'm not expecting his mum to pay for everyone to go on holiday, by any means, but is it asking too much that I'm offered the choice to at least put money in so we can all go? I don't think I'd wanna shell out Center Parcs prices anyway (ouch) but I'm irrationally irked at not even being asked.

It's not like they don't all get time together, he has the girls every other weekend and they all spend that time together, he doesn't bring them to our home he takes them to his mums (he says this is a space issue, I think it may be more because his ex says he cant, I gave up asking).

I'm an emotional wreck at this time of the month anyway and we lost my ex's mum on Sunday (who I was very close to) so I can't help but think I'm just projecting my emotional state on the nearest issue that's arisen but I'm so upset over it, which is really unlike me.

OP posts:
thebestfurchinchilla · 16/06/2016 15:29

They did until DH had a better offer from MIL for him and his DC only
Oh I thought OP said they had never had a holiday.

Goingtobeawesome · 16/06/2016 15:30

Men who want to cheat always find the time. Book secret days off, go in to work late, leave early.

Not saying that is the situation here but just be on your guard. Your h is currently on your team 100%.

Brightnorthernlights · 16/06/2016 15:37

There is no way I could wave my daughter off on holiday, whilst looking at the faces of her half siblings who had never been away.

You DH might well not be able to say no to his mother, but you can. It's all together or nothing.

CodyKing · 16/06/2016 15:57

Oh I thought OP said they had never had a holiday

They made plans for days out as a famity until MIL and DH decided on centre parcs - with only his children - OP wasn't consulted

NeonPegasus · 16/06/2016 15:57

That's what I've done, Bright. He said 'but Mum already paid for it', I said he can do as he pleases, it makes no difference to me, but DD is going away with me and her siblings. If he won't tell her it's unfair, then I certainly will - I'm giving him the chance to pull his head from the sand first and show he actually respects me and my feelings enough to tell her that no, we aren't doing this any more.

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Janecc · 16/06/2016 16:04

But that's what happens when unreasonable people don't respect your boundaries. They pay for things, expect you to turn up for the event or be grateful for the inappropriate gift. If you dare to oppose the appalling behaviour, they twist it to woe is me, throw their arms in the air at the ungratefulness of it all. However, all that finger pointing from them is in the wrong direction. But they're never going to look at their behaviour as anything more than magnanimous.

Tenpastlate · 16/06/2016 16:10

I am speechless reading this thread.
The offer of CP day passes is a sick joke - he knows you couldn't take him up on that offer even if you wanted to as you can't drive there.
It really is all about him, isn't it?
I agree with the pp who said it as if he has left you (& his marriage), and he just hasn't thought to mention it yet whilst he has a meal on the table & a warm bed with you
You're a strong woman and are handling the situation well. Stay strong and fight for the rights of all 6 children to be a family.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 16/06/2016 16:13

I'm another who is suspicious of the mad ex story.

Maybe she kicked him out for doing bad stuff online. Maybe he was trying to get back with her while getting it on with you. Maybe that's why MIL dislikes you. Maybe that's why you aren't allowed to spend time with the other family. It would not be an uncommon story.

SideOfFoot · 16/06/2016 16:19

Not an easy situation for you, sounds like you are handling it well so far though.

I can see mil's point of view too, she is protecting her interests, namely her son and her grandchildren. She tolerates you because she has to but she has no interest in your children.

You can refuse the holidays but I'm not sure how you can stop her treating her own grandchildren in some other way and still excluding your children.

I'm more concerned about the access visits at mil house and the Christmas set up, these are ridiculous but the big issue that has to be dealt with before any other is the mortgage.

I can see no reason why your husband has to still be named on the mortgage. Is it a big mortgage? How long does it have to go? If his ex dies or defaults on payments, can your dh afford to pay this mortgage?

If it was me, I'd be dealing with the ex's mortgage first, it's the biggest issue.

I think if you don't let your joint DD go on holiday with dh and mil , then mil will be disappointed but might well try to involve you more as a result if that is the only way she can get what she wants, which is access to her own grandchildren.

Good luck.

WeatherwaxOrOgg · 16/06/2016 16:49

The more replies I read, the more sorry I feel for you and your other children. It's horrible.

Yes, MIL has paid for the holiday - who cares? I'm glad to think she's wasted her money on your youngest daughters place and I'm so so so glad for your other daughters that they are at last being included all together with their little sister on a holiday. They're going to have such a great time - how exciting for them - I'd love you to tell us how that holiday goes, i'm desperate for them to enjoy it. As they all get on together (all 6 I mean) it makes me believe that they're nice children.

I also think you should learn to drive - it would give you and your girls such a new outlook on life.

You really are a good mum to have this under control now :)

NeonPegasus · 16/06/2016 16:56

I can see no reason why your husband has to still be named on the mortgage. Is it a big mortgage? How long does it have to go? If his ex dies or defaults on payments, can your dh afford to pay this mortgage?

Honestly, and this is so bad I know, but I have no idea, because when I asked before I was fobbed off and told it didn't matter all the time. I don't know how much it is (ballpark figure looking at Zoopla suggests it was around £150,000 though). If she doesn't pay it, we sure as hell can't afford to, which is why I wanted this sorted years ago.

He tells me she is adamant she can't take his name off of it without a guarantor, and that she has nobody except her dad who could do that, but they won't accept him because he's self-employed. As I have no way of contacting her save turning up on the doorstep, because she's never spoken to me, never seen me in person, blocked me on social media; I have no way of telling if any of this is true, or if it's just stuff he's saying to make me shut up about it.

Honestly I feel like I'm dealing with a bunch of adult sized children at the moment, it's doing my head in.

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Blu · 16/06/2016 17:02

Assuming the CP booking was made with less than 10 weeks to go , if she can now give 8 weeks notice she can cancel and lose 50% of the cost.
Your DH could say 'we made an agreement with Neon that we would do days out as a whole family. I don't want to change that arrangement in favour of a holiday which leaves out Neon and my step daughters. You should have checked with me before making this booking'. If she DID check with him , he -ought to have his bollocks pickled for all the good they do he could say 'Mum, I made a bad mistake in accepting that holiday before checking with Neon, she is, rightfully , upset that I accepted center parcs in favour of days out as a whole family. It is all my fault, I should have checked, but she is right, and I don't want to do this leaving out Neon and my step-daughters. Sorry, we'll have to cancel and I will pay for the cancellation fee'.

Blu · 16/06/2016 17:04

As you are married to DH, is your own home at risk if she fails to pay the mortgage? Is your income considered? Could you be jointly financially liable?

I would check this out.

Does he pay her anything towards it? Pay her anything other than the maintenance for the girls?

NeonPegasus · 16/06/2016 17:11

He pays around £300 per month in maintenance, our property is rented, his credit rating is so fecked now we'll be lucky if we can ever buy anything. I have no idea if our income is considered. I've never owned property, I don't really understand how it all works beyond if she doesn't pay it, he is liable for it. I don't like having that hanging over my head.

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GabsAlot · 16/06/2016 17:13

good point blu-you could loe yourown house or go into bankruptcy

no she might not be abl to do but she can downsize or even rent hes not responsible for her mortgage

he can go to a solcitior and get adivse about selling

GabsAlot · 16/06/2016 17:17

sorry x post

he should definitely force her to sell then if he gets lumbered with a mortgage to pay and your rent youre in trouble

BuggerLumpsAnnoyed · 16/06/2016 17:19

I've only read the first 2 pages so apologies if this has been said (though I doubt it has)

I actually think the holiday thing is fine. Every other weekend actually isn't a lot of contact to have with a parent. He lives with your children and therefore has a lot more contact with your children than his own. I can understand the blended family argument, but I honestly think it doesn't hurt for him to have a bit of time with his own children, just them and their dad (and I guess MIL) and unless your house is massive, I can see how it would be a squeeze.

BerylStreep · 16/06/2016 17:28

Are you married? Is he actually divorced? How come the mortgage wasn't sorted out in a financial settlement when he got divorced?

I'm no expert, but I thought all that had to be done at the time.

Marynary · 16/06/2016 17:39

He tells me she is adamant she can't take his name off of it without a guarantor, and that she has nobody except her dad who could do that, but they won't accept him because he's self-employed.

Considering that self employed can have mortgages (after providing evidence of what they earn for a certain period of time) I am pretty sure that they can be guarantors for a mortgage, especially if they have their own house. I bet the ex has never even looked into this.

MissMargie · 16/06/2016 17:52

I've never owned property, I don't really understand how it all works

Right now I don't really understand how it all works, but in your position I would def be finding out.
There is information online but you could speak to a mortgage supplier to see where you would stand if you decided to buy. Not saying you would buy but you can at least enquire and get some info. For you DCs' future you need to know where you stand.

magoria · 16/06/2016 18:04

I am not surprised you are upset.

Your H has allowed himself and his biological children to be treated to weeks away while you and his non biological children don't get a holiday for 7 years.

Talk about the poor, unimportant members of the family!

Good on you for finally making a stand.

Stick to it and ensure your DC get fairer treatment.

SideOfFoot · 16/06/2016 18:08

If ex needs a guarantor for the mortgage and the only other person who can do this is her dad but he can't because he's self employed then that is not dh problem.

The access and holiday situation pales into insignificance when ex's mortgage is considered. You must sort this out with dh and you need an answer to why he is still named on the mortgage because it seems strange that this wasn't sorted when he divorced her. Is he definetly divorced? Why has he been left on ex mortgage, it might not matter but it might and could have huge implications for you. You must sort this first.

If it was me, I might just about accept the holiday situation and the access but I would want answers to questions over ex's mortgage. There is no way I'd be staying in rented accommodation while my dh is named on a mortgage for someone else.

Tenpastlate · 16/06/2016 18:18

Are you married?
If so your finances are linked and if his ex defaults on her mortgage you (or at the very least your DH) will be liable.
As you are in rented accommodation, this leaves you (and your children)in a very precarious position.
If you are not married, are you sure that he is even legally divorced?
Whichever way you look at this, his priorities are

  1. His Mummy
  2. His bio children (& poss ex wife)
  3. You/your other children
Helennn · 16/06/2016 18:26

Not sure if this is correct about the mortgage I'm afraid. I live in the mortgaged home with my kids, soon to be ex husband is in rented. If I can not transfer the mortgage to my name he will be made to keep the mortgage in his and the house be put in trust to pass to me (or some such) when my youngest reaches 18. So yes, it could be right.

GabsAlot · 16/06/2016 18:45

so hes liable for your mortgage forever helenn doesnt seem fair does it

when my sister got divorced it was aarranged with the solicitor that she eother bought out her ex or sold it and they had a son together she wasnt allowed to just let it run in his name just because she couldnt afford it

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