"Rape...is not caused by rapists" WTF!?!

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If you aren't aware of the rapist Brock Turner and the campaigners who think he's getting a hard time, have a read of this guardian link.

AIBU to think that the statement from Leslie Rassmussen decrying political correctness that harms poor boys like Brock is the dumbest piece of shit I've ever read?

Even in their drunkest, most ridiculous states my Husband, Brothers and adult sons would not rape a woman because, and I'm sure Leslie wouldn't want to entertain this notion, they wouldn't rape somebody because they aren't rapists!!!!

Brock clearly is.
Having sex without consent is rape.
Forcing yourself upon an unconscious person is rape.

You don't have to be a stranger in a dark alley to do that, just your normal, average, everyday twat.

I know it is hard to accept the wrongdoings of a loved one.
I know we'd all fight to protect those we care about but you can still fucking accept the mistakes that people make...even if you can't get your head around it, don't bury your head in the sand and pretend it's less of an abuse because 'he's a nice guy'.
When will people wake the fuck up?

Link: gu.com/p/4kk46/stw

I've been following this case and the decision of the judge made me sick. Totally agree with you. A man might get drunk, try it on with someone and if she rejects or can't consent due to being drunk, a decent man backs off (ideally makes sure she's safe too) A rapist? Will just rape and that's what happened. And it wasn't a date rape or a misunderstanding between partners (not that that is justified or any better or worse) but he had her naked, outdoors by bins. She had to be saved by strangers. It's monstrous and brutal and yet his dad had the nerve to call it '20 minutes of action'? Appreciate the parents of said rapist will want to protect their son etc but still. That's not 'action'. Action to me is a bit of consenting fun. This was an attack, pure and simple and he got off lightly. He is a rapist. End of.

Whew... think I need a cup of tea now

Ungoogle and Vestal - that was just the last straw, his father saying poor Brock's life was ruined by '20 minutes of action'. What a terrible description of what happens to the victim and of his son's disgusting behaviour.

The father also added that his son had never been violent in his life, including that night (!!!!).
So clearly dragging an unconscious person behind a dumpster and sexually assaulting and leaving her with cuts and bruises on her arms, head and inside her is not violent. [hmmm]

Also as far as the 20 minutes of 'action' (lovely man, you have to wonder about his wife and daughters if he has any)- what would have happened if the two Swedes hadn't shown up?

Yes poor Brock who can't enjoy his snacks and steaks anymore and who merely eats to exist....

Boo fucking hoo.

Glad to find this thread. I haven't stopped thinking about this case.

Not sure what makes me angrier, the fact Brock Turner got six months in a county jail ... or the fact he's serving more jail time than 97% of rapists.

I hope the internet follows you for the rest of your life, Brock Turner.

And I hope the survivor of this rape is reading the online support for her, she is amazing and deserves our support. As do all the other victims of rape who never have justice done.

Yanbu - if my DH, DH or anyone ever raped anyone I would be disgusted, they wouldn't be the men I know and they would deserve none of my protection or understanding.

I would love to think that the brave woman survivor was reading this - or any other survivors of sexual assault.

To all of them I say - you are amazing, strong, inspirational people. I am in awe of your strength, and I and thousands of others stand beside you in solidarity.

I can't stop thinking about this case. I am outraged by it.

It occurs to me that most lifelong prisoners are in prison for 20 minutes action, or often considerably less. Or how long does your average murder take?

"It must be powerful mitigation, m'lord, that the accused only spent 30 seconds pulling out his gun and shooting the unarmed houseowner dead. This is clearly a tiny percentage of his life and as such completely insignificant compared to the many, many hours during which he was not shooting people dead"

What really really gets me is his picture is just him in a jacket and tie with a smile on his face looking all innocent like - no mugshot was released for the trial. .

Yet if he had been black and poor the mugshots would have been everywhere. Apparently it took immense pressure from a lot of journalists to have Brock's mugshot released - the authorities in the end had no option. Far too late though.

Appalling.

I think I know the story you are talking about, the guy got 6 months for rape right? and his father said it will ruin his life for "20 mins of pleasure"
if it is yes it is absolutely disgusting.
In my opinion rape is the same as murder, in some cases even worse because would you really blame a woman or man for killing their rapist if it ruined their life?

Perhaps a coincidence, but it seems relevant, considering that Sweden has occasionally shown somewhat more consciousness of the fact that women are people, than the US has.

It's perhaps more relevant that it was a US jury that convicted him.

Mizuzu it was even more demeaning than that "20 minutes of action" was how his father referred to it.

Oh... and... the poor boy has no appetite for his T bone steaks now either.

My heart bleeds

I simply do not understand how any judge could hear that victim statement and come up with that sentence. One of the things it really brings home to me is the effect on the victim of being dragged to court and made to go through the whole horrible experience again in the face of an advocate whose sole mission is to show you up as a promiscuous, lying bitch. In the UK at least that on its own increases the sentence. Doesn't it in the US?

This is probably a stupid question, but is there any facility in the US for the prosecution to appeal against sentence?

Augusta I have no idea, but I'd like to know HOW the defence lawyer could ask her those questions in the first place. I don't understand what her past sexual relationships had to do with what happened to her that night, or where she chose to urinate at the party. Why didn't her lawyer object to that line of questioning? How could it stand?

It's dreadful. The victim's letter is incredibly powerful. The father's letter is infuriating. I think the both should be read and analysed by high school students as part of PSHE lessons.

victim's letter in full:

www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/heres-the-powerful-letter-the-stanford-victim-read-to-her-ra?utm_term=.oo1J3ZPL#.svgBLpn0

Dad's letter in full:

www.documentcloud.org/documents/2852614-Letter-from-Brock-Turner-s-Father.html

Fab essay from a guy in Chicago named Matt Lang:

www.popsugar.com/love/Viral-Facebook-Post-Stanford-Rape-Case-41581316

Thank goodness those Swedish grad students happened to be bicycling by.

There is a petition to "recall" the judge, and I think he is up for re-election anyway.

I simply do not understand how any judge could hear that victim statement and come up with that sentence

From what I understood, that statement was read out after the sentencing. I could be wrong though.

I believe there's a petition to have the judge struck off. I'm going to look for it.

Sorry X post with 80K

www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-brock-turner-cory-batey-show-race-affects-sentencing-article-1.2664945

Please read this article, it discusses this case and the case of Brock Turner, two identical crimes. Both men, athletes, both men raped an unconscious woman. Woman sentenced to 6 months the other 15 years to 25 years to life. Once was punished for his crime the other has received a slap on the wrist.

The sad thing is this is a regular occurrence in America, the discrepancy in sentencing depends on the privileges of race, social class, and male privilege.

The sad thing id I read somewhere that he wont even serve the full 6 months, they also protected him not releasing his mugshot for several months.

In my opinion rape is the same as murder, in some cases even worse because would you really blame a woman or man for killing their rapist if it ruined their life?

Well, not exactly the same.

I would not blame a woman for killing her rapist. I would, however, blame her if she decided to rape him.

So yes, perhaps worse, as killing can be done in self-defense, while rape is always just cruelty without reason.

I've just read the fathers letter, it's almost like a parody, it's so offensive. Wonder how many 'minutes of action' would have made him a proper rapist in his fathers eyes?
Thank goodness for the two passing students, because I'm 100% convinced there would not have even been a trial if they hadn't Chanced upon her.

The victims statement is incredibly moving.

The victim's statement was submitted to the judge, I think, as part of sentencing considerations.