"Rape...is not caused by rapists" WTF!?!

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If you aren't aware of the rapist Brock Turner and the campaigners who think he's getting a hard time, have a read of this guardian link.

AIBU to think that the statement from Leslie Rassmussen decrying political correctness that harms poor boys like Brock is the dumbest piece of shit I've ever read?

Even in their drunkest, most ridiculous states my Husband, Brothers and adult sons would not rape a woman because, and I'm sure Leslie wouldn't want to entertain this notion, they wouldn't rape somebody because they aren't rapists!!!!

Brock clearly is.
Having sex without consent is rape.
Forcing yourself upon an unconscious person is rape.

You don't have to be a stranger in a dark alley to do that, just your normal, average, everyday twat.

I know it is hard to accept the wrongdoings of a loved one.
I know we'd all fight to protect those we care about but you can still fucking accept the mistakes that people make...even if you can't get your head around it, don't bury your head in the sand and pretend it's less of an abuse because 'he's a nice guy'.
When will people wake the fuck up?

Link: gu.com/p/4kk46/stw

His Dad talking about how his son has gone off his snacks is WTF levels of whatthefuckery!

Fucking joke. Despicable father and son. This has made me

He (& his ilk) think it wasn't rape because HE DIDN'T TAKE HIS TROUSERS OFF!

Facepalm...

I think that's why the actual rape charges were dropped, & why, in all their tiny minds he isn't an actual rapist - no PIV included in the "20 minutes action"

This "good guys" message made me so angry

I disagree this stuff "happens all the time at parties". It may seem that way but what the father is missing is, as always, the consent aspect.

Although I am confused, has he been convicted of rape or sexual assault?

He was convicted of three felonies:

assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman
sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object
sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object

Thabks squoosh

I think ALMOST what I find most infuriating (almost) is the family's trying to "make up" for it by saying that he will be campaigning against drinking and promiscuity.

The connotation = rape is just something that happens when you go with drunken whores. So you shouldn't go out with drunken whores, only with nice ladies.

It's an insult to the woman, all over again.

What I think I find hardest to fathom is - on what planet is penetrating an unconscious person acceptable? How do you justify that?

Anne Whalen, friend
I have been with Brock while he has been drinking a few times within the past two years. While consuming alcohol in my presence, Brock was the same great guy he was while sober. He was always in control and continued to act rationally and be himself all night.

Abby Rubins, former classmate
Brock’s character is not consistent with what he was accused of and I will forever believe that he of all people would never do something like that.

Meaning = the woman is lying, because Brock doesn't rape while drunk. Never mind that he was fucking her while she was unconscious behind a dumpster and ran away when approached.

Christ.

I was a scholarship swimmer at an American university and was an NCAA all-American athlete several times. The lads on the team who were brilliant athletes were really great guys, they were idolised by many of the girls on campus and they got up to a fair bit of mischief and partied like crazy. Yes, on occasion they did get a bit arrogant, as can all young men, especially when generally physically fit and handsome, but they were soon brought down a peg or two by their mates. Never did any of them rape an unconscious woman, they never raped anyone full stop and wouldn't have condoned it or minimised it had if anyone else had. I remain very good friends with many of them.

Brock Taylor was a good swimmer but he was in a team of 30+ good swimmers, they all managed to refrain from rape. He was not an Olympic swimmer.

"assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman
sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object
sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object"

I thought that rape was penetrating someone without their consent-whatever was used.

So the first seems odd to me.

Also, how would they know his intent-unless he told them?

he was in a team of 30+ good swimmers, they all managed to refrain from rape

Well they all managed to refrain from raping an unconscious woman in view of two passing Swedes.

This kind of thing DOES happen all the time at parties.

The differencevis not consent, it's two male Swedish (so culturally apart) witnesses to the crime.

It's not a culture of promiscuity.

It's a culture of rape and misogyny.

They can presume his intent by the fact that he was stopped before he cpuld proceed further.

Diddle I thought the same but that may not be the case in usa

This story has made me cry. The victim's statement is astoundingly good, everyone should read it.

How fucking DARE he and his father try to minimise this? As someone upthread has said, if Brock Turner had been found unconcsious, with some guy on top of him penetrating him ... would his father still be saying it was "only 20 minutes of action"?

And to release his mugshot after the trial? I think money has been changing hands in this case left, right and center. Makes me sick.

Hats off to the survivor, she's an amazing woman and I feel myself standing right behind her today.

I think that's why the actual rape charges were dropped, & why, in all their tiny minds he isn't an actual rapist - no PIV included in the "20 minutes action"

If the letter of the law requires penetration with a penis for it to be considered rape, fair enough, but that does't mean he's in any way innocent.
Also doesn't mean that he didn't intend to penetrate her with his penis at a later point in time - after all, he was caught in the middle of it.

His father's "twenty minutes" quote ... do you think I could get away with killing him if I did it in under five minutes?
I mean, they cannot imprison a woman for life for some mere five minutes of action, now can they? That'd be terribly unfair.

Doinitfine is anyone else accused of rape, I've heard nothing if it?

There is an element of rape culture at American universities, I'm well aware of it, having lived it. However, I knew a huge amount of guys who are decent and it wouldn't cross their minds.

I'm not sure what you mean by the emoticon? I wasn't in any way condoning rape, the very opposite, so I'm not sure what warranted it? People have been in the media saying he was a good swimmer so he couldn't be held responsible, I was saying that's not so; good swimmers have been ten a penny in my life, many far better than he is, none of them were rapists.

I am irrationally pleased that the nasty All American jock was taken out by two academic Swedish cyclists. I wonder if anyone else just passed by

I'm confused by your confident statement that none of his teammates raped anybody.

You have no way of knowing that.

This is my issue with the "rape caused by rapists" thing.

It starts allowing for all kinds of ridiculous statements like this to get thrown around.

Scapegoat the lone rapist and pretend he is a one off.

I don't think it's a coincidence that it was two Swedes who put a stop to what he was doing.

I think she was very lucky in terms of the nationality of the witnesses.

Definitely lucky with the swedes.

If it had been a couple of frat boys (athletes or otherwise) instead, who knows what might have happened?

They probably would have joined in.

I really hope that the survivor finds the courage to make her identity public some time in the future - her eloquently written letter is such a strong statement to all women everywhere - she would be a great advocate for women's rights.

It is she who ought to be lecturing at universities about the dangers of alcohol and 'rape culture', not that slimy weasel of a perpetrator.

I love that her statement addresses this by saying that if he does dare to lecture students, she will follow him around and follow every lecture with one of her own about consent. Good on her.

If it had been a couple of frat boys (athletes or otherwise) instead, who knows what might have happened?

Doesn't bear thinking about.

And if it had been a couple of drunken girls, I wonder if their testimony would have held half as much weight.

Sexism, as well as class inequality, is alive and well.