"Rape...is not caused by rapists" WTF!?!

[Unacceptable]

If you aren't aware of the rapist Brock Turner and the campaigners who think he's getting a hard time, have a read of this guardian link.

AIBU to think that the statement from Leslie Rassmussen decrying political correctness that harms poor boys like Brock is the dumbest piece of shit I've ever read?

Even in their drunkest, most ridiculous states my Husband, Brothers and adult sons would not rape a woman because, and I'm sure Leslie wouldn't want to entertain this notion, they wouldn't rape somebody because they aren't rapists!!!!

Brock clearly is.
Having sex without consent is rape.
Forcing yourself upon an unconscious person is rape.

You don't have to be a stranger in a dark alley to do that, just your normal, average, everyday twat.

I know it is hard to accept the wrongdoings of a loved one.
I know we'd all fight to protect those we care about but you can still fucking accept the mistakes that people make...even if you can't get your head around it, don't bury your head in the sand and pretend it's less of an abuse because 'he's a nice guy'.
When will people wake the fuck up?

Link: gu.com/p/4kk46/stw

[thetemptationofchocolate]

I've always thought sex is only fun if your partner enjoys it as much as you do. If he just wanted an unresponsive hole to fuck he could have got a sex doll.. At least that way he could have used it again.

What a horrible excuse for a human being this rapist is.
Although 'soft prison' made me snigger a bit - no hardons allowed.

[TwatbadgingCuntfuckery]

There was a thing on twitter about the guy Apparently he had a hair cut and was given a suit so he 'looked less guilty'.

www.salon.com/2016/06/07/brock_turners_victim_has_dreams_and_a_future_too_sympathy_for_convicted_sex_offender_is_grossly_misplaced/ regardless this has his actual mug shot not the happy, clean cut suit picture ALL the papers have been using.

[TwatbadgingCuntfuckery]

also

“I see a pattern emerging in rape culture that suggests women have a past, while men have a potential.”

This applies to ched evans with his defence team digging into his victims past to find dirt too.

[VestalVirgin]

Can you imagine a school inviting a convicted rapist to come lecture your children on the evils of drinking and promiscuity?!

As a matter of fact, I can. An American school, certainly. Granted, a rapist that was never arrested would be more likely, but ... yes, I think they would.

[UnderTheGreenwoodTree]

The 'warning of the dangers of alcohol and promiscuity' thing is just so concerning. He's acting like a victim here - this thing just 'happened' to him, because of 'drinking' and 'promiscuity' on campuses This makes me so angry. When you read the details of the assault (and they are very triggering) - this wasn't a mistake. You don't sexually assault unconscious women just because you are drunk. Promiscuity has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

As the victim herself says, two Swedish students cycling past in the dark could see she was unconscious, could see it was crime being committed. Why couldn't Brock?

[BreakingDad77]

Saw an interesting tweet where when it comes to these many of these cases, its all about the womans 'past' but for the guy its all about his 'future'

And yet her sexual/emotional history, and his future career etc should make no difference to the proceedings.

[BusStopBetty]

It's a fucking disgrace. An absolute fucking disgrace.

[DoinItFine]

You don't think that the emphasis on violent stranger rape being "proper" rape and the men who do it being "proper" rapists, as opposed to "date" rape, is part of rape culture?

OK, I guess we live in different worlds.

This case is very, very unusual in that the rapist was caught in the act and there are two (male) witnesses.

That's why everyone is so delighted with simplistic bullshit like "rape is caused by rapists".

That's why massive moral outrage against Turner - because there is no need to rely on what "she said".

There are two "he saids" to prove that a rape happened and that Turner was the rapist (although that's not even what he was convicted of).

I'm really pleased to see the public outcry about this, because it feels like a move forward in understanding and criticising rape culture.

But it makes sense to be cautious of the ways this can be used to strengthen certain myths about how most men woukd never rape, just a small number of evil ones that the good non-rapists will beat up for us.

What Brock Turner did was not unusual, however monstrous. He was just unlucky to get csught.

Yeah, he probabky did rapes before. And other women at that party probabky got sexually assaulted too.

He is not an aberration. He was taking full part in the culture he was a part of.

[horseygeorgie]

Have just read the survivors statement. What an amazingly eloquent, moving piece.

[TradGirl]

It's an absolutely revolting case. Some of the statistics quoted on this thread are really shocking - especially the one where young men would sexually assault as long as it wasn't deemed rape. How can we start making young men understand that behaviour like this makes them rapists?

The father should hang his head in shame.

[redshoeblueshoe]

Squoosh thank-you for linking to the victim statement. I cried as I read it, now I feel physically sick.

[PageStillNotFound404]

If I tried to express adequately my disgust and outrage over this case, the sentence, the judge, the rapist and his father and friends, and the overall excusing of one of the worst crimes a person can commit it would end up simply as a torrent of expletives.

Let's celebrate the decent men, the men who were brought up to do the right thing. Carl-Fredrik Arndt and Peter Jonsson, the Swedish guys who disturbed the Stanford rapist.

(As an aside, is there no unduly lenient sentence process in the US? In certain circumstances in the UK, if the CPS feel the sentence doesn't adequately reflect the facts of the crime and is too lenient, they can make a submission to have the sentence reviewed, when it may be extended. Do the DA's office not have similar rights? Because this sounds like a case crying out for such a review.)

[timelytess]

Brock Turner didn't rape her "because he was a rapist", he raped her because he wanted to and because he thought he could get away with it.
Yes, I'd agree. But further, I'd say he probably felt entitled to sex in the way so many men seem to think they are 'entitled'. He probably didn't think there was anything to 'get away' with. It was his right to do what he wanted to do. In his opinion.

[corythatwas]

So the man who has been convicted of forcing himself on an unconscious victim (rape) is going to lecture other people about the dangers of having consensual sex with more than one person (promiscuity). Nice

And the irony of him claiming that she was in a state to give consent at the same time as his defence team claim that her evidence is not valid because she was unconscious.

[bobthebuddha]

The whole thing is a disgrace. The girl's statement eloquently described herself as being the wounded antelope he spotted and picked off from the herd. If it wasn't her it would have been someone else.

And to anyone trying like Leslie Rasmussen with their logical contortions, trying to say this isn't 'proper' rape or a 'huge misunderstanding' or some such fucking idiocy, all that needs to be quoted at them are the words of one of the Swedish guys who caught him before he tried to run (because he KNEW he was wrong);

'What the fuck are you doing? She's unconscious!'

That's it, that's all that's needed - the immediate, instinctive response of a decent, thinking human.

[LaPharisienne]

I find this case totally depressing.

If this is the sentence meted out to a rapist caught red-handed, by two witnesses, in a rape where the victim was completely unsconscious i.e. no question that she was incapable of consent, what hope for those women who just said "no", or who cried because they didn't know how to say "no", for whom there were no witnesses?

Not sure I would ever recommend a raped woman go to the police.

[VestalVirgin]

How can we start making young men understand that behaviour like this makes them rapists?

Putting rapists in jail for life would be a start.
You see, men who rape are in no way concerned about what they do to their victim. They know that.
What they don't believe (and often rightly so) is that others would judge them for it.
That's what the wort rape means to them - rape=[penetrating a woman against her will and be hated and shamed by society for doing so]. That's their definition of rape.

So, to make them understand that this is rape - bring on the blame, bring on the shame, jail them for life.

[diddl]

So if 14yrs is the max how would you ever get it down to 6months?

How can it ever be that even the "starting point" for sexual assault would 6months?

[VestalVirgin]

So if 14yrs is the max how would you ever get it down to 6months?

Probably 14years is only for black men who rape white men. I doubt that 14 is the max for white men.

[StealthPolarBear]

Really good point made by previous posters. Why the hell is he (or anyone) lecturing about the dangers of promiscuity. Promiscuity is fine. Promiscuity is not the issue. Consent is the issue. And I don't know how far he'll be able to get in his moral lectures before he needs to talk about consent. I'd love to see how he handles that.

[StealthPolarBear]

Oh yes. Proper rape of men. Which is of course worse than rape of women.

[LowDudgeon]

The judge is a Stanford alumnus. How was he allowed to preside?

the Swedes

[PageStillNotFound404]

So if 14yrs is the max how would you ever get it down to 6months?

How can it ever be that even the "starting point" for sexual assault would 6months?

There's actually a precise formula for sentence reduction. It's quite easy to work out.

Six months off for a first offence.
Six months off for the defence attorney's mitigation.
Six months off for character witnesses pleading on his behalf.
Two years off for being rich.
Two years off for being white.
Two years off for being male.
Two years off for going to the same college as the judge.
A year off because he can swim really fast.
Three years off because the victim was drunk and a women and because well, look at him, poor boy with his life in ruins and his appetite gone because of that evil promiscuous woman just lying there all unconscious and irresistible.