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AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is even more of a tw--a--it...

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GigiB · 06/06/2016 20:27

.. she really is. Check out this headline:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627352/KATIE-HOPKINS-Welcome-Midsummer-madness-Ramadan.html

who wants to help me plot how to get her put in a box and posted to the north pole with no ski's?

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EveryoneElsie · 12/06/2016 18:11

The character Bill Sykes is a violent thug in a Dickens novel, Oliver Twist. He murdered the sympathetic female character Nancy for helping Oliver to escape.
His dog was called Bullseye. He accidentally killed himself trying to follow his master, who abandoned him to an angry mob.
His name is a misnomer because at the crucial moment, he missed.

You are a bit off target as well here, BillSykesDog.

AugustaFinkNottle · 12/06/2016 18:19

Oliviac, your reference to "throwing in" things is only too apt. Basically you are doing your best to think of every Islamophobic trope you can and chucking them into the mix. But, for instance, FGM isn't an Islamic practice; and whilst you condemn halal meat, you don't seem to be bothered by kosher meat. As for the Italian judge - are you referring to this case? Because the finding of the Italian judge was the opposite of what you claim.

BumbleHumble · 12/06/2016 18:36

EveryoneElsie Grin

BumbleHumble · 12/06/2016 18:39

Olivia, do you fear that muslims are going to take over?

BillSykesDog · 12/06/2016 18:44

So why, IPity, when you repeatedly emote about people being killed by Assad and use that to minimise or justify acts of violence elsewhere are you not 'salivating' over those deaths? But apparently I am, just for pointing out the (inconvenient) fact that, yes Ramadan does normally mean a spike in Islamist violence after half a thread of people pooh-poohing the idea?

What was it someone said earlier in the thread. 'It's just like Germany before WW2'. Yep, people being murdered and hated for their sexuality, Jews being blamed for problems by a vocal group, anti-semitism on the rise, the same vocal group who dislike anybody who believes different from them and are prepared to use violence and oppression against them just for being different. Various states being taken over by that ideology.

And this time we have the charming addition of women being oppressed and treated like animals to an extent the Nazis would never even have contemplated.

That poster was absolutely right. But looking in the wrong places.

And the argument that it's just a 'tiny minority'? Yep, Nazis only got 3% of the vote in 1928. And no, not all Muslims are extremists or terrorists, most of them aren't. But the Nazis only ever got 33% of the German vote, so most Germans weren't Nazis either. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have worried about Nazism and I don't think it means we should worry any less about Islamic extremism.

And apparently the people who are saying 'hang on, this is all a bit worrying' are the bad guys. I suppose Neville Chamberlain was right all along...

BillSykesDog · 12/06/2016 18:46

Anyway, I will continue to update as and when the next Ramadan attacks occur. Which they will. Let's just wait and see if last years record of 400 dead in one day gets beaten eh?

Egosumquisum · 12/06/2016 18:46

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GiraffeTastic · 12/06/2016 18:56

Yabu. I agree with her, if someone wants to fast for twenty hours a day they should do it on their own time, take holiday and not put others at risk or inconvenience employers.

Why do religions expect to be pandered to? Common sense should prevail. I would be furious if exams were moved.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 12/06/2016 19:19

Kaw
People have forgotten how to disagree respectfully.

Oh the irony Grin Grin Grin

Thank you, truly, for brightening my day with that remark.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 12/06/2016 19:21

When the IRA was at its peak did we give Catholics a hard time? No"

It just gets better and better. What planet is everyone even on?!

StrangeLookingParasite · 12/06/2016 20:18

But I can certainly say that it scares me that fairly regularly people are being shot on nights out in Western cities just going for a night out

It scares me too. But you know what - I don't go around blaming Muslims or Ramadan when such things happen.

I do blame Muslims. The people who shot all our innocent people were muslim. So yes, I do blame those Muslims.
You'll have to excuse me, I suppose. I have a fairly different perspective on the Novembre attacks.

Egosumquisum · 12/06/2016 20:34

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StrangeLookingParasite · 12/06/2016 21:44

Having just read the reports about Florida, I am starting to have serious reservations about Islam's capacity to co-exist in secular western democracies. This is not the first time.

AugustaFinkNottle · 12/06/2016 22:11

StrangeLookingParasite, BillSykesDog: you do realise, don't you, that non-Muslims are responsible for more than 90% of the terrorist attacks in the world?

Egosumquisum · 12/06/2016 22:24

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herethereandeverywhere · 12/06/2016 22:26

Augusta that's an intriguing statistic. Where is it from? Is it broken down by the 'type' of person that did commit the attack? I'd like to see the source of that.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 12/06/2016 22:28

I am starting to have serious reservations about Islam's capacity to co-exist in secular western democracies

There are crazy 'Christians' too you know. It's not representative of the vast majority of people who have those beliefs. What you are thinking is exactly what the fanatics (on both sides) want you to think. It's inaccurate.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 12/06/2016 22:30

you do realise, don't you, that non-Muslims are responsible for more than 90% of the terrorist attacks in the world?

Because we have naturally all memorised that statistic long ago, along with our bra size and children's shoe sizes Hmm

BillSykesDog · 12/06/2016 22:41

Actually, that figures (90%) only applies to the US and is highly dubious anyway. It includes things such as writing threatening letters or painting animal lib slogans on a wall as terror attacks. And it counts per incident rather than per fatality.

So, three letters to the manager of an animal testing facility are calculated as being 3 x the seriousness of of 9/11.

It doesn't compare like for like or give any meaningful information as to the impact of terrorism. One might say it was deliberately skewed to give a favourable impression of one group.

If you look at it in terms of deaths from terror attacks the figure is far, far higher.

kawliga · 12/06/2016 22:54

Where's the 90% statistic from? Can someone post the link? Statistics are only fun when you know who's trying to skew them, and why.

Egosumquisum · 12/06/2016 22:55

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ForHarry · 12/06/2016 23:06

According to Reuters IsIs/ISIL have called for line wolf attacks during Ramadan.

ForHarry · 12/06/2016 23:07

Lone wolf.

Egosumquisum · 12/06/2016 23:09

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