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AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is even more of a tw--a--it...

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GigiB · 06/06/2016 20:27

.. she really is. Check out this headline:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627352/KATIE-HOPKINS-Welcome-Midsummer-madness-Ramadan.html

who wants to help me plot how to get her put in a box and posted to the north pole with no ski's?

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eternalopt · 10/06/2016 00:20

hifsahiblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/dear-katie-hopkins/

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What she says

Tattieboggle · 10/06/2016 06:48

Thus resulting in a decrease rather than an increase in the rate of RTA

Really? Well the 3 I passed in on a 20km stretch of highway yesterday afternoon jurying the rush hour slow hour must have been a figment of my imagination. They were nothing major, fender bender type things, though I did see two ladies walking into the back of an ambulance unaided as their car was a bit more damaged across the boot.

I just do not understand why people just can't accept that those of us who're living the life are well aware that during Ramadan and the subsequent Eid Holidays the roads are a bit more dangerous than usual.

Perhaps its the way things are said and I guess that's what Katy is all about - being horrible and saying things in a dreadful way.

AugustaFinkNottle · 10/06/2016 07:14

How can anyone claim to agree with this nonsense?

Ramadan typically coincides with a spike in terror violence. The new target of choice is Europe

Martyrdom during that month will hold a special allure to some of the half-starved … Britain and Europe will act as generous hosts to all of this chaos, accepting a religion which is not our own”

She is talking bollocks. Either she is deliberately lying, or she is utterly stupid. The attacks in Brussels earlier this year did not take place during Ramadan. Nor did those in Paris last November. Nor did the 7th July bombings in London. Nor did the March bombings in Madrid. Nor the 9th September 2011 attacks.

As for "accepting a religion which is not our own". FFS. "Not our own"? What the hell is she talking about? How dreadful that we should actually tolerate other religions. In her world I take it that we shouldn't tolerate Catholicism or Methodism because it's "not our own". And as for Judaism - going home before sundown on Friday evenings in the winter? Outrageous!

If she wrote this crap about the Jews, the Mail would, rightly, sack her. Yet somehow it is acceptable to be anti-Islamic instead of anti-Semitic.

ElleBellyBeeblebrox · 10/06/2016 07:26

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oliviaclottedcream · 10/06/2016 08:14

I don't like her (KH), particularly and I disagree with her on 80% of what she comes out with. That said, I do think this, as a subject warrants a serious discussion. All the cries of 'Islamophobia' of anyone who dares to question anything about Islam, only strengthens Hopkins and people that share her views.

herethereandeverywhere · 10/06/2016 21:01

Elle I think if people knew about it they would question it actually. Only in grave emergency situations should healthcare professionals be denied access to food and, especially, water. I don't think the 'oh I've just been too busy today' standard is enough though. It takes under a minute to find and drink some water. Which is responsible behaviour when you need to ensure you are fit enough to be looking after other people.

BillSykesDog · 12/06/2016 15:56

So what have we had so far?

50 killed in a Florida gay club
Terror attacked in Jordanian refugee camp aimed against government (5 killed)
Terror attack in Israel (4 dead)
Refugee accommodation in Germany burnt down.
Shia mosque in Damascus bombed. (20 dead)

So that's 69 dead before the first week is out. And that's leaving out the normal day to day atrocities like 19 Yazidi girls being burnt to death for refusing to be sex slaves or ISIS murdering 37 people including women and children in one village or the 30 women and children fleeing them in Fallujah machine gunned down or the stabbings, beaheadings and stonings for adultery that have all been reported in the last week.

Let's see how many more bodies are piled up in 3 weeks time eh?

BillSykesDog · 12/06/2016 15:57

Whoops! 79 dead. Worse than I thought.

Egosumquisum · 12/06/2016 15:57

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BillSykesDog · 12/06/2016 16:03

I'm thinking that people who are getting outraged at the suggestion that there is a link between Ramadan and violence are a bit dumb.

BillSykesDog · 12/06/2016 16:10

And that the alternative explanation is that this is all just run of the mill normal. And it's very easy to get apoplectic with rage at KH while ignoring or minimising the fact that violence from Islamic extremists is now a normal everyday run of the mill activity across the world.

Far easier to attack the messenger than deal with the problem eh?

IPityThePontipines · 12/06/2016 16:34

Bill - why are you ignoring all the Syrians killed by regime or Russian airstrikes? Don't their lives matter to you?

But also, that you are on here, rubbing your hands with glee about people being murdered, because it furthers your own prejudices is sickening.

However, the fact is, you can hate Muslims as much as you want, we aren't going anywhere.

We will live our lives as the ordinary, productive members of society that we are. While also raising a huge amount for charity, just as we do, every Ramadan.

The general public will recognise that, just as they did in the London Mayoral election.

So seethe away, because we'll still be here.

Egosumquisum · 12/06/2016 16:46

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shazzarooney999 · 12/06/2016 16:49

I actually agree with most of her comments, especially about people driving, they could kill someone if they fainted, also about the doctor, would i really want a fasting doctor looking after me? surely theres mistakes to be made there? what they do is theyre right, but not put others at risk.

oliviaclottedcream · 12/06/2016 16:57

That's unfair IPity. In BillSykes defence, I don't think they're saying Syrian lives do not matter. However they are being killed is completely atrocious.

The subject is about the compatibility of Islam and Western, European culture. People are concerned about mass, unselective, Muslim immigration and the impact that is having within European societies. Madrid, 7/7, Charlie Hebdo, Drummer Lee Rigby, Bataclan, Brussels, not to mention Rotherham, Cologne on NYE or the rape epidemic they're having in Sweden now, are not figments of a collective, Islamaphobic imagination. Regardless of how much the liberal Media like to pretend they are.. If Muslims are going to commit acts of barbarism in Europe Then you can't get all indignant that those same civilians are going to feel the right to have an opinion.

BumbleHumble · 12/06/2016 17:01

Olivia, what impact are muslims having on Europe?

BillSykesDog · 12/06/2016 17:01

So you're going for the argument that 79 people killed by Islamic extremists in 6 days is normal them Ego? Just standard every day numbers?

AugustaFinkNottle · 12/06/2016 17:03

Do you actually have any evidence that all of that relates directly to Ramadan, BillSykesDog?

BillSykesDog · 12/06/2016 17:07

IPity, why do you ignore all the Syrians killed by ISIS and other Islamic extremists? Why are you always obsessed with Assad and so keen to minimise ISIS's roles in deaths and atrocities?

Why are you so bothered when someone is killed by Assad but when someone is killed in the West you just shrug and say 'not my problem'?

Egosumquisum · 12/06/2016 17:09

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BillSykesDog · 12/06/2016 17:16

It's interesting IPity. Because you're so quick to accuse other people of every sort of 'phobia' or 'ism' that you can.

But your response to any sort of terror attack is to justify it by saying that anti-Assad Syrians are dying in Syria. You prioritise your own favoured group above others just as much as any other 'phobe' or 'ist' you like to point out.

Regarding people killed by Assad in Syria. It's sad when anybody is unnecessarily killed. But I think it's a pretty safe bet to say there is very little the West can do to stop the Middle East and North Africa tearing itself apart. Certainly very little I can do.

But I can certainly say that it scares me that fairly regularly people are being shot on nights out in Western cities just going for a night out.

And I'm not 'salivating' IPity. That's just another of your tactics to try and intimidate people into silence.

Egosumquisum · 12/06/2016 17:18

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oliviaclottedcream · 12/06/2016 17:39

Did you actually read my post Bumble? I'll also throw in FGM, halal meat in schools, German judges quoting Sharia law. Polygamy legalised in Germany (for Muslim men only) of course. The judge in Italy who allowed a Muslim man to viciously beat his daughter when anyone else would be quite rightly, thrown in jail for it. Islamic values are being imported and various useful idiots in the media are encouraging people to believe its all in the name of social harmony .

IPityThePontipines · 12/06/2016 17:55

Bill - I'm writing a post on a talk board. How is that intimidating? How is that "silencing" you?

I'd also stop with the "you always" posts, you've accused me of plenty on a previous thread too, yet not been able to substantiate any of your accusations.

I don't see where I am shrugging over anyone's death, although there is certainly nothing I can do about the actions of ISIS any more than the average civilian. Being Muslim doesn't give me special crime fighting powers.

The remarks about me being obsessed with Assad are beneath contempt, although for someone so interested in ISIS, you should surely be aware of how Assad actively contributed to the growth of ISIS in Syria.