AIBU to think Katie Hopkins is even more of a tw--a--it...

[GigiB]

.. she really is. Check out this headline:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3627352/KATIE-HOPKINS-Welcome-Midsummer-madness-Ramadan.html

who wants to help me plot how to get her put in a box and posted to the north pole with no ski's?

It's just that in your post you appear to disapprove of religious freedom in the UK but also of religious restrictions in "Moslem Countries"

If you read my earlier posts I have said it would be beneficial to gather statistics and evidence as to whether fasting from all food and drink for such a prolonged period does have an adverse effect on decision making/reaction times. I added the 2 latest anecdotes to the accident I witnessed last year which I referred to upthread. I didn't just pop on the thread and add them without context. (You will need to RTFT for that though).

The accident I witnessed, my friend and my friends friend (whom I know, not some faceless hearsay story) are 3 that I know of in the last 2 years that were caused by a muslim whilst fasting during ramadan but I'm unsure how many of those 3 will have been reported or recorded statistically. So there could very well be a statistically significant causal link which is going un-recorded/untested/unproven.

What I am saying is why dismiss something out of hand when it could easily be disproven with the correct research and evidence? Or is the fear of causal link making people shout 'racism' so calls for evidence and research are withdrawn?

I'm shocked at the rush to call me a liar.

Does fasting cause accidents?;
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22266498

CONCLUSION:
The religious and spiritual atmosphere that embraces fasting people during the holy month of Ramadan causes neutralization of the adverse affects of increased nervousness and high temper of the fasting people. Thus resulting in a decrease rather than an increase in the rate of RTA.

EveryoneElsie

I saw that when I was googling the other day and had a bit of a giggle at it. It's clearly a piece of overblown propaganda rather than a serious piece of research.

Anyway, regarding violence during Ramadan, 3.5 days in and our starters for 10 are:

Terror attacked in Jordanian refugee camp aimed against government
Terror attack in Israel
Refugee accommodation in Germany burnt down.

And we've not even had a Friday yet. Wonder what the next 22.5 days will bring?

Fasting is actually meant to increase concentration and productivity. I'm not sure if that includes not drinking water though. Probably not.

Or opened a cafe selling bacon rolls at the roadside (like a truCkers cafe). How would that go down?

You've obviously never been to Malaysia where Chinese Malays openly and happily sell pig products at food stalls and supermarkets. ..Malaysia is a Muslim country btw.

I've seen bacon sandwiches in Turkey. Along with other advertised Traditional British food - fish n chips, spaghetti bolognaise and chicken tikka masala - in British style pub

If you opened a truckers cafe selling bacon sandwiches in a Muslim country you wouldn't make a lot of money. I wouldn't advice it for that reason alone.

If a Christian obviously wears a cross in a Moslem country, do you think that would be accomodated

I live in a Muslin country and Non Muslims are free to practice their faith. There are churches and Temples, and people can wear outward signs of their faith.

*Or opened a cafe selling bacon rolls at the roadside (like a truCkers cafe). How would that go down8

Pork products are readily available in the supermarkets in whats called The Pork Room and if you don't want to pay the local price for it you can bring it into the county in your bag when you arrive. There are also pork products available in hotel restaurants.

I've never known a massively intolerant muslim. I'm guessing you've never known a muslim

We got shot at by some very intolerant muslims last November. And my son heard the shot fired by some other massively intolerant muslims that killed the muslim policier (RIP Ahmed) in January, on the way back from an outing to the cinema.
Please stop pretending they don't exist.

Of course they exist.
There are issues within some Muslim communities but 'othering' them, insulting them and isolating them won't help.
Most Muslims, like most people in the world, are just normal people getting on with their everyday law abiding life.

It's the refusal to examine what may portray 'your group' in a negative light that is the issue though, isn't it Egosum?

'It's negative therefore it cannot be true' is illogical, nonsensical.

Though TBH it is approaching the 'have faith' rationale. No proof of existence of divine supreme being = have faith.

Person questions whether the rules of a religious group may inadvertently be causing harm as well as good? We just have to 'have faith' that they don't.

There has been no othering, no insulting, no isolating from me. I have presented facts and asked for evidence and research. I have also questioned the reluctance of many to accept the hypothesis or the dismissal of the idea out of hand.

YANBU when she was in Big brother I voted for the first time for KP. I don't read or listen to what she has to say. Ignore her and she will have to go away.

No one has to defend every accusation made about them as there is an endless string of accusations that can be made.
It is up to the accusers to provide evidence for their claims.

No one accepts the link I posted earlier as evidence. Which also suggests that even if people do provide evidence it will be ignored .

The cost of car insurance does not go up for Muslims or during Ramadan.

"The cost of car insurance does not go up for Muslims or during Ramadan"

That would be illegal in this country on grounds of discrimination. Regardless of any evidence. Same reason women are no longer allowed cheaper car insurance than men despite having fewer accidents.

I think the crux of the matter is most sentient intelligent humans would question the safety of starving yourself of food and water for 18 hours during the summer months for every day of over 3 weeks. Hence the questions from me.

Nothing additional about IS/terrorism/hahal food/the hijab/the niqab or any other hackneyed lazy stereotypes. It's just the starving yourself then operating a car or performing another function where others could be at risk that's the issue from me.

Other people's prejudices do not invalidate my point.

Egosumquisum
and then people expect you to provide evidence that it's not true hmm - and if you don't want to do that, they then say you are refusing to provide evidence.

Yes, I can well believe that. Plus the evidence isnt always there, because as any lawyer will tell you - you cant always prove a negative! If something didnt happen, if you didnt do something, you cannot always prove you are inoicent.

Thats why its 'innocent until proven guilty beyond any reasonable doubt.'
Plus that annoying and childish idea that everything exists on the internet and you can just link to it.
Or you should somehow automatically know where that information could be found, because its actually about you.

I agree with her 100%

Sorry, agree with most she says