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New baby and ILs dangerous dog

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makingmiracles · 02/06/2016 09:18

So, due next week, first baby for my partner, first grandchild for his mum.
His mum/db have a staffy that is very badly behaved, it was a rescue and has always had behaviour issues but they've got worse in recent years. He's not able to be walked now either because of his behaviour on walks towards other people and other dogs and they couldn't get a decent muzzle to fit him that he couldn't remove, so now he only has access to the house and garden.

A couple of years ago I was in the house with my children, not something that ever happened but the car broke down in the evening and we were waiting for the AA, we were all in what was dps room when we saw the recovery truck pull up outside so made our way downstairs.
Unbeknown to us his db had taken the dog downstairs and it was in the living room, we thought it was in db room with him. My dc opened the living room door and walked in and the dog flew at him pinning him on the sofa, 4 of us adults flung ourselves at the dog and got him off dc and luckily all dc had was a couple of tiny tooth mark bruises. Since then they have never been in the house with the dog.
Mils nephew(8) has stayed at the house recently and apparently the dog took no notice and was fine with him so it's likely what happened with my dc is because the dog was shocked to suddenly be confronted with the children when it wasn't aware they were in the house. I however wouldn't have been comfortable if nephew was my dc after what happened a couple of years previous.

Now new baby is about to arrive, I mentioned when first pregnant about the possibility of a crate and said they would need to get one in advance to get dog used to it, but nothing has happened on that front and they claim putting dog in crate will be too stressful for him anyway so won't be buying one. I've also mentioned getting a high dog gate to go on dbs room door but again nothing's been put into place.
Now it's so close to baby arriving and were expected to rock up with Nb and visit but I feel very uncomfortable about it all. Mil has said that they will shut dog out in conservatory whilst we visit, which is fine I guess but I will insist the door gets locked and I get to hold the key whilst we are there, for my own piece of mind. I'm worried that db/mil will say ooh he's whining/needs toilet and will go let him out, in the process opening the conservatory door and allowing the possibility of dog to escape back into living room.

I feel a bit cross with the situation really, the dog rules their lives in terms of not being able to have many people round to their house and I feel like dog once again is being put first above new/first grandchild.

I don't know how unreasonable I'm being as I'm too close to the situation, dog has never properly bitten me, although has gone to on a few occasions but has bitten dp when he tried to stop him going mad against the fence over the dog next door, he escaped stitches but had a big wound from that so I know dog is capable of causing considerable injury.

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glassgarden · 02/06/2016 09:38

Do not go round there. Do not meet them anywhere they bring the dog. Do not allow the dog to be brought to yours. Get your DP on board and be absolutely firm and unshakeable - none of your children will be in a house with that dog. Ever. Period
This!

NeedACleverNN · 02/06/2016 09:38

Perhaps insisting they come here is easier although not sure how well that'll go down.

So they sulk and moan and get cross?

Oh well. One less people to deal with whilst you enjoy your new born snuggles.

If they really want to meet new baby they will make an effort!

The safety of a infant is more important than hurt feelings

NerrSnerr · 02/06/2016 09:41

I wouldn't go. My inlaws have a lovely dog and that's fine (although I wouldn't leave my toddler alone with him). This dog has a history of aggression so it's a done deal.

FetchezLaVache · 02/06/2016 09:42

YANBU- they sound like really, really shit dog owners.

Finola1step · 02/06/2016 09:43

I love dogs. I hate to say this but that dog is a tragedy in the making.

A dog that may well have had a difficult past. Owners who are ignoring his training needs. Owners who now refuse to take him out to exercise and socialise him properly. A dog that has form for going for young people. A dog so strong that it took 4 adults to get it off a child. The whole combination is very scary.

Show your dh this thread.

glassgarden · 02/06/2016 09:43

Just tell them the dog is dangerous and you wont have it near you or any of your family🙅
Sod thier feelings, thier choice to make a psycho dog the centre of thier lives 😫
Stupid people

ScarletForYa · 02/06/2016 09:43

Don't go.

They're mad, you can't trust them. Why do they want the hateful thing anyway?

I don't understand people like that.

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JacketPoTayTo · 02/06/2016 09:49

Don't go to their house. You've been very reasonable in your requests and they have done nothing to meet you even half way. Your child's safety comes first and they are not able to ensure the baby's safety by controlling the dog.

RE the dog itself, I couldn't disagree more with the people saying it needs to be put down. It just needs to be rehomed with a suitable owner who knows what they are doing. It's not the dog's fault that any of this has happened. The blame lies squarely with your MIL and BIL. They've taken on a dog that has significant behavioural issues and from the sounds of it quite a dodgy past aggressive rescue animal) and not only have they failed to meet its complex needs but they aren't even taking it for a walk!! What do they expect? They are being very selfish and cruel. I'd report them to be honest. They are guilty of neglect.

HeteronormativeHaybales · 02/06/2016 09:53

Don't go there. It's not safe.
I agree with pp saying it's their choice. My MIL has had very, very little time with her new gd, and didn't even meet her until she was 6mo, because she refuses to change her smoking habits and would never agree to change clothes/wash hands etc and I won't compromise on my dd's health and safety for her selfish 'needs'. Yours is a situation with even less room for compromise. I wouldn't be setting foot there.

SenoritaViva · 02/06/2016 09:53

I'm a dog lover, grew up with (four) of them and have a super dog now.

No way would I let my children near that dog. As with others the lack of exercise and containment will make him worse.

For the sake of your kids please don't be in the same house.

makingmiracles · 02/06/2016 09:53

The sad thing is that the dog can be lovely at times, but he gets very excitable and jumps up, sometimes nipping in the process. All not helped by dog thinking is is head of the pack, sleeps in dps dbs bed for example. Mealtimes are horredonus if dog is not shut away as he is in the kitchen/dining room barking constantly and trying to jump up on table to get food. Xmas is prime example, they have grandparents round too so a lot of people in house and dog gets too over the top, simple solution would be to shut dog away but as I said dps db is too soft on him and so he gets let out and causes havoc, you then have a roomful of adults shouting angrily at the dog whilst the dog is there barking and jumping around.
I feel mil would be more open to the idea of a solution but db won't agree to it being pts as its more of his pet than mils.

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BalloonSlayer · 02/06/2016 09:53

When they say "it'll be fine we'll shut dog in conservatory" just airily respond with "it'll be fine, you'll just have to come to us."

They can't make you take the baby round to them.

If they invite you to theirs, say lightly "Well that would have been nice but of course we can't because of the dog*, why not come to us?"

(I'd probably say "because of the dog attack" but that's just me)

foursillybeans · 02/06/2016 09:53

I am confused as to why you would risk taking any of your DC round at all with a dog like that in the house. It doesn't sound like much of a life for the dog either.

I just would not go round to that house at all. You are not restricting your ILs access to your DC if you invite them round to you, meet them out and about, have trips with them, etc. Visiting their property is an unnecessary risk.

StarryIllusion · 02/06/2016 09:54

They need to muzzle that dog and socialise him. It is cruel to keep an animal like that. If he can't be socialised then they need to put him down. He isn't healthy. Mentally unbalanced isn't healthy, poor thing. I feel bad for the dog and understand why they put him first as it isn't their baby but I've alwayd said if I had a biter he would be put to sleep. 3 strike rule. First one gets a pass due to circumstances. You cant expect him not to go for an intruder. Second earns a trip to the behavioural specialist. 3rd...well I'm sorry.

They should come to you, like fuck I'd be travelling with a newborn.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 02/06/2016 09:54

He's never taken out of the house? Shock that's going to make him ten times worse, poor dog. All that energy, I'm guessing (I'm no dog behaviouralist) that will make him even more possessive of 'his' space too.

Don't take your baby there.

Actually, fuck this shit, call the RSPCA. That's active animal cruelty in my book.

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JassyRadlett · 02/06/2016 09:59

A crate would be too stressful for the dog? Visiting their home with the dog uncrated is too stressful for you and too dangerous for the baby.

They can see their grandchild - just not in their home.

glassgarden · 02/06/2016 09:59

It sounds grim and embarrassing😷
why would anyone go to so much trouble for a thing that just bites and shits🙏

firesidechat · 02/06/2016 10:00

He is never taken out the house btw, too volatile.

Well that's a recipe for disaster in itself. A dog which gets no exercise will go mad with inactivity and potentially more volatile. Poor dog.

I wouldn't go to their house either and I say that as someone who re-owned a Staffie X from a rescue centre. Not all Staffies are problem dogs, although ours had it's own issues which we were able to train him out of. But a dog which is too dangerous to walk should be put to sleep for it's own sake and the sake of others.

NeedACleverNN · 02/06/2016 10:01

Tbh I would have called the dog warden after my child was attacked.

He may have only been bruised but he was lucky all the adults were around to stop him.

What if you was all sat down outside, a child (your nephew maybe) went indoors and the dog followed him. No one worries because he has never gone for your nephew before but today he attacks. Would be way to late for anyone to get there in time. I don't normally think like that btw but we are talking about a dog who had a history of biting

makingmiracles · 02/06/2016 10:04

Is it possible to retrain a dog that is 8/9 yrs old now?

A few years ago I looked up a behavioural specialist for them locally but the idea was dismissed as the cost was about £400 for a behavioural course.

I will be putting my foot down now, glad to hear I'm not being unreasonable, will have a serious talk with dp later when he gets back from work and tell him we are not going round all the while the dog is there.

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MissBattleaxe · 02/06/2016 10:08

You don't actually need to speak them at all, but your DH does. You have suggested a compromise and they have refused it.

So now, if they want to see the baby, they visit you.

If the dog has to be sedated just to see a vet, and has bitten your DH and has gone for one of your children, then it's a no brainer.

Let MIL and BIl get as upset as they want. You are not responsible for their feelings.

NeedACleverNN · 02/06/2016 10:09

Is it possible to retrain a dog that is 8/9 yrs old now?

Yes. It takes ALOT of time and effort and 100% cooperation among everyone but it's possible.