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to have made my mother cry yet again?

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slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 15:11

Don't know where to start- right now I am at home under a duvet while my husband and daughter are out enjoying the funfair. Yet another run in with my mother has left me reeling and I can't cope with people right now. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I don't know what to do next.

I'm 45, my mother is 73. Frankly, we're both too old to change! To keep this post under a million pages long, let's just say she has never been happy with my standards of cleaning and tidying. There are various reasons why I am the way I am- all look like excuses when I type them, but there we are. I am not a bad person.

Our daughter's going to be 4 next week. She has barely slept through the night ever. We both have full time jobs- DH leaves at 6am. We are lucky to work locally and very lucky that my parents look after DD outside nursery hours. She starts school in September.

We do our best to keep the bombsite that is our house under control, but not easy to find time that works while DD is awake and when she goes to sleep, we collapse. My parents are in this house every day for pick up and drop off (I don't drive, so I can't take her to them)

on Thursday we had the latest 'last straw'. Wait for it.....yellow broccoli.

For reasons beyond my comprehension, DD has decided to keep veg out of the fridge. I decided it wasn't worth an argument and let it continue. Mother discovered the broccoli before I'd had a chance to come downstairs. She described it as 'rotten'. It wasn't. There was also some spinach and potatoes, also apparently rotten. I never got to see them as Dad had whisked the offending articles out of the house lest we all die of yellow broccoli contamination.

Cue lecture about standards - I've had 45 years of this one- and the implications that my daugher's health is at risk. And we may all have food poisoning without even knowing it. Which is where my patience ran out. And I am told we live in squalor. Etc.

in the evening she comes in as if nothing has happened.

2 days later and they have DD for the morning so we can tidy up. This has by now been turned into a bigger deal than it really is. I phone to ask what time we're getting DD back. I get the usual answer to a totally different question, we go back down the yellow broccoli road and then I learn the shock revelation that inside a sealed box, which was inside a sealed bag, in a rucksack, were some leftover strawberries from last week, which we'd forgotten to take out after a walk. More lecture then she wound herself up into tears and hung up.

So I have made my mother cry yet again.

Literally the only thing that matters about my life to her is cleaning and tidying. She is stupidly over-happy if I do a bit of dusting and almost suicidal if I don't- which is more often than the first one.

I can hear people shouting (if they've survived this far) "so just tidy then" but it's not that simple. and if I do, there's something else. always something

When DD starts school, I'll be able to walk her there in the morning, so they don't have to come here, but in the afternoon, she wants to come back here and stay for the 2 hours before I get in, and cook dinner as well. They live 5 mins away. I don't think this is going to enhance the family harmony situation.

I have signed up a team of cleaners who come over and blitz every few months- I can't get on top of the tidying more often than that, so it's better than nothing.

I am crafty, knitting, sewing, etc. I hardly do any of it any more, as you can't enjoy yourself while there's chores to be done, but I do spend time with DD making things and to me the one hour I have with her before bedtime is precious. We have clutter. I created solutions, but they became problems. My mum 'tidies' by shoving everything anywhere it will go, so within one day, all the bits from DD's games are separated, never to be found again. Anything I put down, disappears and later turns up in the most random of drawers.

So I've sort of given up, as I'm going to be wrong anyway, whatever I do.

Finding this exhausting and hating myself. Even more so for my mother being in tears because of me.

We are all good people and everyone's miserable. My daughter is a fantastic little girl and I have worked hard to make sure she is growing up happy, healthy and confident, and with a sense of self. She is sociable and everyone loves her. I was a shy, quiet, nervous child. I don't want her to grow up like I did.

I'm so sorry this is so long.

OP posts:
JugglingFromHereToThere · 30/05/2016 06:24

So DD is starting school in September and you'll be able to take her in the mornings. Could she go to her DGP's after school and you pick her up from there, rather than them coming over to yours every day?
I think you need to start drawing some clearer boundaries and basically have your DM alone in your house (with DD) less often, or maybe never?
If that doesn't help your relationship with your DM then you could look at alternative after school care.
I think the cleaning/tidying aspect is very much a side issue really.

HeteronormativeHaybales · 30/05/2016 06:58

OP, things with your mother sound incredibly fraught. You have learned to react, Pavlov's-dog-like, with dramatic emotion to her dramatic emotion (cf. you going to bed upset rather than shrugging and going out with your family). She has far too much involvement and control and assumes it is her right. If you don't start extricating yourself from as much of the dependency as possible, this is going to carry on, and your daughter is going to notice, and learn. To be blunt, if you don't develop some awareness of the dynamic between you and your mother and some willingness to take control of it, you risk doing similar to your daughter in your turn, because 'you're her mother'.

I do think your house sounds a bit out of control - reading between the lines - and it's a bit worrying that a 4yo gets to decide where veg is kept and you don't feel able to stand up to her (just like you can't stand up to your mother...). You do need to take an honest look there. But it has nothing to do with your mother.

blitheringbuzzards1234 · 30/05/2016 07:07

Could you tell your 4 year-old that all the veg are going in the fridge from now on as otherwise dear granny will be upset? Explain that it goes off faster in the kitchen (and could give you all tummy ache) - that the 'experiment' hasn't worked. Insist that you and granny know best and she must bow to your greater wisdom - that one day when she grows up she'll understand. Put your foot down firmly.

notonyurjellybellynelly · 30/05/2016 07:43

Blithering the OP explained pages ago that DD was a typo and should have read DH.

monkeymamma · 30/05/2016 08:07

My 4yo is similar at night op. We have a baby and he's now sleeping better than his older brother! We've tried all the techniques pp have suggested and I'm cross on your behalf at 'sort your dd's sleep out' - oh how wish it was that simple!

Windsofwinter · 30/05/2016 08:28

Going mostly against the grain here...

I think the house is possibly in a worse state than you're admitting. I'm sure there have been times my mum would have found on the turn veg in my house, had she looked, but on the whole it's mostly clean and tidying. Cleanliness being more important than tidiness imo. As a parent I think you have a responsibility to provide a decent environment for your dd; does she want to live in what your mum described as squalor?! I'm super lazy with tidying, but I try to keep on top of it each day. DP and I both work full time with two DCs. An untidy/messy environment can bring you down, even if you dont realise it.

Your mum does sound interfering and OTT but, as she does such a lot for you, I think you and DH should both pull your socks up and meet her half way.

FuriousFate · 30/05/2016 08:33

How can the house be so messy if you're out at work all day and DD is at nursery? It sounds like the people who actually spend most time there are your parents!

You really need to grow up and separate from them. They dominate your life! My parents don't have a key to my house, neither do PILs. Learn to drive and that's another thing that you won't be reliant on your DPs for. Stand up for yourself. Seriously - anyone coming into my home and complaining about my standards would get short shrift. And the crying over broccoli is just odd! Even if it was liquefied, they had no right to remove it.

You have one life, OP. It sounds to me as though your DPs are running yours. You can make changes if you want to. Just because they don't agree with them doesn't make them wrong. And yes, you can tell your DM to fuck off. If she's as rude as you say she is, maybe she needs to hear the truth.

RainbowsAndUnicorns5 · 30/05/2016 08:37

Just get a cleaner ! You'd all be so much happier

I couldn't abide anyone, even d'm just walking into my house doing stuff while I was upstairs Confused and ringing to ask what time you're getting dd back??? You have much bigger problems than a dirty house

it sounds very much like a teenager/parent relationship rather than adult child/parent and sorry to sound harsh but you're allowing that. What kind of relationship do you want with your dd when she's an adult? Think about what precedent you're setting now.

Also you seem a bit hurt by strangers answers to your aibu which is ridiculous when you think about it...perhaps how a teenager would react ?? Sorry Flowers

topazmilk · 30/05/2016 08:56

So your mum provided you with your house (and free childcare), and expects you to keep that house reasonably clean and hygienic? Sorry but mouldy strawberries and rotting veg are disgusting and a health hazard. Why on earth is your 4-year old allowed to decide that veg can't go in the fridge? And you can't be doing much cleaning if you need a team of cleaners to blitz it regularly. I don't understand why you don't have time to do some cleaning at weekends. Take it in turns and get the basics done or get a cleaner to pop in for a few hours a week.

My DH and I both work (long commutes) and our house isn't as clean as I'd like, but we both make an effort to keep it clean and tidy, keep the fridge under control etc. I go to bed early as I'm up multiple times a night with our baby, so he does the essential jobs in the evening and at weekends we take turns to blitz through bigger jobs. We're going to get a cleaner soon to free up more time.

It sounds like your mum does a lot to help you out, including giving you her house to enable you to live in your preferred area. It also sounds like she's worried about you and your DD. Why else would she cry?
If you don't want her to be involved in your lives, move away and stop accepting childcare from her. You can't have it both ways.

Have you considered sleep-school for your DD? There's no need for constant broken nights with a 4-year-old. My friend was in the same situation and used Millpond, they sleep-trained with support and within a week her DS was sleeping through.

So IMO your mum has a valid point. Her reaction does seem OTT but I guess she spent years keeping that house clean and cared for, and feels you're neglecting it?

Creasedupcrinkle · 30/05/2016 09:02

RTFT Topazmilk

Merd · 30/05/2016 09:02

Just get a cleaner !

Always a great idea but it can be costly, difficult if you're private about stuff, and most importantly won't fix the bigger issue necessarily. There'll just be a new thing to worry about.

I think the house is possibly in a worse state than you're admitting.

I doubt it - but again the place could be a rampant shithole and her mum's still not responding appropriately.

Either you don't know how to clean efficiently, or it was really in a bad state.

We have no idea what the place is like. DH and I have had big places which have taken way longer than that to deep-clean, especially if you include sorting out wardrobes, going through the backs of food cabinets, binning old books, charity shipping all the clutter etc. Also some people are slower and more methodical than others. It doesn't mean the place was filthy (although again, see comment above).

Having said that, because my mum controlled us through this stuff, I didn't know how to clean properly before I moved out as "I'd do it wrong". This meant that "Merd can't do anything right" became a self-fulfilling prophecy until I was allowed to work it out, and yes, probably did take longer at first than others, maybe I still do.

Also you seem a bit hurt by strangers answers to your aibu which is ridiculous when you think about it...perhaps how a teenager would react

Well - if the op has been raised in a dysfunctional family (which I reckon she must have from the posts above) then she's probably inherently oversensitive. I am; most victims are; it's how your brain gets shaped as a survival mechanism, walking on eggshells etc. It's partly why those homes can be abusive and why others can have a hard time understanding ("don't be so upset! It's not a big deal!" - when it is, just not to them because they're taking a comment as a normal person without any triggers would.)

But even if the OP actually grew up in a normal home and this is just a weird crazy time, a lot of people would get upset on AIBU, it's not a good place to post with your most personal and sensitive issues (and repeated over-criticism from parents must rank up there with the most personal ones right?)

TwirlsInTwirlsOutAgain · 30/05/2016 09:03

Why on earth is your 4-year old allowed to decide that veg can't go in the fridge?

If you read the thread properly, you'd realise that dd was a typo and it should have read dh.

So IMO your mum has a valid point. Her reaction does seem OTT but I guess she spent years keeping that house clean and cared for, and feels you're neglecting it?

IT'S NOT HER MUM'S HOUSE ANYMORE!!!

Sorry, but this is clearly not about just cleaning, it's the fact that there's a complete mum and child dynamic instead of parent and adult.
Must be utterly miserable being treated as a child when you're an adult.
If it was a MIL people would probably be agreeing more, same applies in this case if it's a DM!

SanityClause · 30/05/2016 09:07

Just to be clear from my earlier posts.

It is fine, in general, to accept help from your parents, e.g free childcare, financial assistance.

In this case the help comes with conditions.

It is up to the OP to decide whether those conditions are worth it.

To me, it sounds like a really unhealthy dynamic, with the mother crying about yellowing broccoli, and her grown daughter hiding under the duvet, all morning, instead of enjoying a morning out with her DH and DD.

Every now and again, when we have had some kind of money difficulty, DH has suggested borrowing from his parents. I always refuse to do it, as I know that the loan (despite attracting interest) would also attract unwanted interference into our personal affairs. And we have always managed to pull through on our own, anyway.

FishWithABicycle · 30/05/2016 09:07

The DD not DH thing is this thread's "cancel the cheque"

Thefitfatty · 30/05/2016 09:17

My mother would have a similar reaction if I ever let her in my house. (Luckily she lives in another country). My mother was so anal retentive about cleaning that we had carpet runner throughout the house that were the only things we were allowed to walk on. She cleaned out the fridge 3 times a week, so so much as bruised apple was tossed (I cleaned out my vegetable crisper on the weekend and found liquefied cucumbers at the bottom, I'm not proud :P). We were never allowed to touch or do anything and were made to use sippy cups until we were 11!

I am a disorganized mess. While I am not "dirty" and things are cleaned properly, my house is always cluttered and looks like a tornado went through it.

Creasedupcrinkle · 30/05/2016 09:17

Ha! I thought of Cancel the Cheque too!

MilkTwoSugarsThanks · 30/05/2016 09:26

I'm friendly with a fellow mum whose house is "a bit scruffy", "a bit untidy" and "not spotless, but not the worst".

In reality doors are hanging off hinges, the bath has a thick grime ring round it, the washing up doesn't get done for a week at a time and I don't think the hob has been cleaned for months. Washing is rarely done and gets left in the basket for so long it has to be re-done. Each individual thing wrong doesn't sound too bad, but add them all together and it's bad. She would say that the lettuce had turned a bit when the truth is it had started to go mushy.

I make excuses not to go round.

The first thing surely is to be totally honest with yourself about the state of the house. 2 people spending 5 hours cleaning suggests that it's worse than you are describing.

As for you mum getting upset - maybe she is genuinely worried. You sound close normally, is there any chance you can find somewhere neutral to sit down and chat with her about why she thinks it's so bad, and why you think it isn't?

winkywinkola · 30/05/2016 09:41

Your mother gave you her house?

topazmilk · 30/05/2016 13:44

IT'S NOT HER MUM'S HOUSE ANYMORE!!!

OP says upthread the house was 'practically a gift' from her mother to enable them to live and work in an area they wouldn't otherwise have been able to afford.
So yes, it does seem like that gift comes with conditions. If you are prepared to accept financial help/property/childcare from your parents you can't then say they have no business 'interfering' in your life or giving advice. Sounds like OP's mother is genuinely worried and trying to help.

notonyurjellybellynelly · 30/05/2016 13:50

I don't understand the ref to Cancel The Cheque.

What does it mean please?

NanaNina · 30/05/2016 13:59

The OP seems to have disappeared - don't blame her but I loved the yellow broccoli and that's going to become a family joke. Indeed my DGD (whose in her teens) keeps chortling about it.
Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Wolpertinger · 30/05/2016 14:06

notonyur it refers to another thread where numerous posters didn't read the full thread and repeatedly gave the same advice 'Cancel the cheque' despite the OP having posted on page 2 that this advice was useless for good reasons. Lots of people who had read the full thread then started posting 'Cancel the cheque' just to take the piss as it was ridiculous advice.

The equivalent on this thread is advice about the DD and vegetables in the fridge.

TheUnsullied · 30/05/2016 14:18

Sorry in advance OP but I'm going to go against the grain and say I'm with your DM on this one...though not to the extent that I'll be crying over your broccoli! Grin

You yourself described your house as a bomb site. There were mouldy strawberries in a bag that you had no idea about. Rotten fruit really stinks so coming across that by surprise really can't be pleasant. You've now had 5 hours for you and DH to clean (if I've understood that right), so 10 man hours cleaning in total. I can't imagine what a state it must have been in for that much to need doing. You both work locally and have just 1 DC who I imagine is in nursery full time? A few hours' cleaning across the week between you and DH should be plenty to stop you from being able to describe your home as 'a bomb site with mouldy fruit hidden in it'. That's clearly not happening right now.

I'm not super clean by any means (my hoovering has needed doing for days!) but it would really upset me to live how you describe.

MuddlingMackem · 30/05/2016 14:54

Hmm, OP, I know you've described your home as a bomb site, but is that a bomb site by normal standards or by your mum's standards? Do you have friends who would be honest with you if you asked them how untidy your home is?

To be honest, the only way you could really settle this is by posting a photo, which of course you can't.

YouTheCat · 30/05/2016 15:17

I don't think the house can be that bad at all if the only things her mum could find to criticise was some past its best broccoli and some strawberries. And she had to go rummaging to find them.

It's definitely about control.