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to have made my mother cry yet again?

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slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 15:11

Don't know where to start- right now I am at home under a duvet while my husband and daughter are out enjoying the funfair. Yet another run in with my mother has left me reeling and I can't cope with people right now. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I don't know what to do next.

I'm 45, my mother is 73. Frankly, we're both too old to change! To keep this post under a million pages long, let's just say she has never been happy with my standards of cleaning and tidying. There are various reasons why I am the way I am- all look like excuses when I type them, but there we are. I am not a bad person.

Our daughter's going to be 4 next week. She has barely slept through the night ever. We both have full time jobs- DH leaves at 6am. We are lucky to work locally and very lucky that my parents look after DD outside nursery hours. She starts school in September.

We do our best to keep the bombsite that is our house under control, but not easy to find time that works while DD is awake and when she goes to sleep, we collapse. My parents are in this house every day for pick up and drop off (I don't drive, so I can't take her to them)

on Thursday we had the latest 'last straw'. Wait for it.....yellow broccoli.

For reasons beyond my comprehension, DD has decided to keep veg out of the fridge. I decided it wasn't worth an argument and let it continue. Mother discovered the broccoli before I'd had a chance to come downstairs. She described it as 'rotten'. It wasn't. There was also some spinach and potatoes, also apparently rotten. I never got to see them as Dad had whisked the offending articles out of the house lest we all die of yellow broccoli contamination.

Cue lecture about standards - I've had 45 years of this one- and the implications that my daugher's health is at risk. And we may all have food poisoning without even knowing it. Which is where my patience ran out. And I am told we live in squalor. Etc.

in the evening she comes in as if nothing has happened.

2 days later and they have DD for the morning so we can tidy up. This has by now been turned into a bigger deal than it really is. I phone to ask what time we're getting DD back. I get the usual answer to a totally different question, we go back down the yellow broccoli road and then I learn the shock revelation that inside a sealed box, which was inside a sealed bag, in a rucksack, were some leftover strawberries from last week, which we'd forgotten to take out after a walk. More lecture then she wound herself up into tears and hung up.

So I have made my mother cry yet again.

Literally the only thing that matters about my life to her is cleaning and tidying. She is stupidly over-happy if I do a bit of dusting and almost suicidal if I don't- which is more often than the first one.

I can hear people shouting (if they've survived this far) "so just tidy then" but it's not that simple. and if I do, there's something else. always something

When DD starts school, I'll be able to walk her there in the morning, so they don't have to come here, but in the afternoon, she wants to come back here and stay for the 2 hours before I get in, and cook dinner as well. They live 5 mins away. I don't think this is going to enhance the family harmony situation.

I have signed up a team of cleaners who come over and blitz every few months- I can't get on top of the tidying more often than that, so it's better than nothing.

I am crafty, knitting, sewing, etc. I hardly do any of it any more, as you can't enjoy yourself while there's chores to be done, but I do spend time with DD making things and to me the one hour I have with her before bedtime is precious. We have clutter. I created solutions, but they became problems. My mum 'tidies' by shoving everything anywhere it will go, so within one day, all the bits from DD's games are separated, never to be found again. Anything I put down, disappears and later turns up in the most random of drawers.

So I've sort of given up, as I'm going to be wrong anyway, whatever I do.

Finding this exhausting and hating myself. Even more so for my mother being in tears because of me.

We are all good people and everyone's miserable. My daughter is a fantastic little girl and I have worked hard to make sure she is growing up happy, healthy and confident, and with a sense of self. She is sociable and everyone loves her. I was a shy, quiet, nervous child. I don't want her to grow up like I did.

I'm so sorry this is so long.

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ChicRock · 30/05/2016 19:46

If your house needed 10 hours of cleaning it must have been rank. I've never even seen yellow broccoli, how old is it or how long does it need to be stagnating before it turns yellow?

You sound like a stroppy teen living in a student house.

I'm guessing the yellow broccoli was, for your mother, the straw that broke the camels back. They've practically given you a house and provide free childcare, she can't really do much more for you can she.

My SIL's house is a shithole, and I could weep for her kids. My son won't go over there as he says it smells funny, her own kids are embarrassed by it and won't have friends over. You've got a year or two before your DD notices.

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TheSultanofPingu · 30/05/2016 19:50

MsHoolie Do you really think a bit of yellowing broccoli is a health hazard?

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oolaroola · 30/05/2016 19:52

You sound normal and your mother sounds mentally ill.
Don't get drawn in to her problems and get yourself some different childcare.
And get angry that she's acting this way to you - it's completely out of all proportion. I should imagine that if you've been brought up with this it's hard to see the wood for the trees but she sounds totally dysfunctional.

If anyone on the planet has come to harm from some yellow broccoli and squishy strawbs being in the house then blimey we'd all be in trouble.

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TheSultanofPingu · 30/05/2016 19:54

I've had yellowing broccoli in my house before. One day it looked ok, the next day it had turned yellow. I've also had a cucumber go a bit mushy at the end.

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beccabanana · 30/05/2016 19:54

Slightly confused with OP throwing her toys out the pram? From what I've read, nearly all the posts were supportive or trying to offer good cleaning advice and those that weren't could have easily got confused because there were a few silly mix ups in the original posts? It's quite reasonable to ask questions about time management and cleaning schedules when you write a post like that? Some AIBU posts have had savage responses - I thought this one was all fairly pleasant!

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catwhite1 · 30/05/2016 19:55

Just ask her to be more understanding. You and your husband have v busy lives and both work hard and have a little one who you'd prefer to focus on with the little time you get together , morn, eve and weekends. Yellow broccoli and a rotten veg free fridge is not a priority in your life right now and your energy is with your job, child and partner. Tell her if she wants to help out with the chores, cleaning and organising of the fridge, kitchen or house it would be more helpful than put downs. Every time my dad used to visit me he would help by emptying the dishwasher (even if I was out, I'd know he'd been if the dishwasher was empty!) he'd mow the lawn or hang out any washing or bring any in. He wouldn't criticise he'd just get on and help. Ask your mum if she could help with the housework and if not could please understand how upsetting it is for you when she criticises you especially when you have so much pressure already.

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TheUnsullied · 30/05/2016 19:59

I thought that too becca. Even by _chat standards this thread would be pretty tame. But I think a lot of newbies expect a parenting forum to be full of posters who cushion their disagreements so much that you could interpret them however you like.

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Merd · 30/05/2016 20:00

Good luck with your mum OP. Flowers

On balance this wasn't the worst AIBU thread I've ever read, but I do feel that AIBU isn't a good place to post for some reason - even very friendly posters can get extra brisk and rude on it.

No idea why, there must be some psychology behind it all.

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HappyNevertheless · 30/05/2016 20:01

I have to say I can't eye anything wrong with the OP.

She HAS a tidying solutions (boxes etc...) but her Dmother is refusing to use it and put things away in random places. How is that going to help?

A yellow broccoli isn't an issue. Who hasn't had a yellow broccoli before? ConfusedConfused And then, surely, the only thing that should happen is you have learnt that keeping broccoli not in the fridge means it doesn't last long. What else is there to say?

But who is getting so uptight about cleaning that she is over the moon if the OP is dusting but the world is going to collapse if the OP isn't doing that (To her mum's standard!).

Andy then last question, why is it only the OP's responsibility to? Surely her DP is just as responsible of the state of the house, the cleanliness and the (not that bad) vegetables?

If the Dmother has such an issue with the cleanliness of the house, she should clean it herself and/or propose her help to keep on the top of the house whilst she looking after her dgd.

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Merd · 30/05/2016 20:02

(Again - as I commented eons ago and it's probably lost in the thread - for people brought up in certain high-stress environments, you grow up walking on eggshells, and often develop hypersensitivity. It's a very common thing. It can make even "normal" criticism feel overwhelming and is a sign in itself that something's off generally. Which does make posting online extra difficult I imagine...)

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Serialweightwatcher · 30/05/2016 20:02

My mum is in her 80s now and we lost my lovely dad 20 years ago - I am an only child and she has always controlled my life to a degree. I have 2 boys, 13 and 16 and my partner and I are constantly trying to help her out, take her everywhere she needs to go but she is never happy because she has no friends and no life to speak of. If we ever go out to dinner (rarely) I feel I have to ask her or she would be offended. If I were you, I'd be so pleased they help as much as they do - stop upsetting yourself that you made her cry, you didn't - she made herself cry, and just say 'I agree with you' every time she moans at you, but carry on as you are doing. We can't change them but we can change the way they make us feel (says me who is still scared of my mother's guilt trips and demands even now!)

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PiecesOfCake · 30/05/2016 20:04

Got stuck on "yellow broccoli road" somehow it turned into the Yellow Brick Road in my head

But actually, if she's only 5 minutes away, why can't she look after your DD at HER house?

Then you could walk the five minutes to pick her up when you're back. Then she'd never see the inside of your house.

Child-minding duties still fulfilled, without her nosing round your house....

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gasman · 30/05/2016 20:06

Be honest is the house really an issue.

I have a relative who would tell you her house is "lived in". All 3 of my siblings and her brother will tell you it is a shit tip. I no longer accept any food there that Hasn't just come out of a packet.

I am no paragon. I'm sitting at my dining table with three meals worth of dishes stacked on the worktop and at least 4 off cartons of off. Milk in the fridge. One of my friends always stacks the dishwasher when he is here but under the clutter the house is clean. I have a weekly cleaner and am pretty fearsome at keeping on top of clutter.

I agree with the others having a tidy house actually makes you more efficient. You don't lose keys/ shoes etc as you can see them. Or they have a set place....

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formerbabe · 30/05/2016 20:13

For reasons beyond my comprehension, DD has decided to keep veg out of the fridge. I decided it wasn't worth an argument and let it continue.

Why are you letting a four year old dictate like that?! Vegetables go manky very quickly if not kept in the fridge...why would you do that?!

You work full time...fine, but you only have one child and your mother to help you...it's not that hard to keep your house clean.

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GoodLoveShinesBrightly · 30/05/2016 20:16

You said you have arguments every couple of months. Would you say they seem to come out of nowhere and your mum cries (over ridiculous things like yellow broccoli) and you end up feeling shit and saying sorry, although you're not always sure what for.
Does your mother often end up crying?
Do you feel responsible for her and her emotions?
You said you were anervous timid child, what was your childhood like?
I may be projecting but your relationship sounds very enmeshed, with you cast as her permanent child and her using manipulative tactics (crying), melodrama and passive aggressiveness to assert control.
It all sounds very smothering.
You may live in squalor, I don't know, but if the worst she can find is a bit of yellow broccoli and some forgotten strawberries that have gone mouldy then it doesn't sound like it.
It sounds more like your mother has failed to understand that you aren't a child any more. How is she with your DH?

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Merd · 30/05/2016 20:16

Agggghhhhh RTFT! Grin

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Merd · 30/05/2016 20:17

that was to formerbabe.

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FishWithABicycle · 30/05/2016 20:21

Cancel the cheque formerbabe

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JugglingFromHereToThere · 30/05/2016 20:22

DH has decided to keep veg out of the fridge

HTH!

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GoodLoveShinesBrightly · 30/05/2016 20:22

Even if her house is a shit tip, it's not actually any of the mother's business and even if it were any of her business (which it's not), there are normal non nutty ways to deal with it rather than weeping over yellow broccoli, hanging up and having her grown daughter go grovelling for an apology for being a bad girl and not tidying enough. That is a very codependent, infantilising relationship and has all the hallmarks of dysfunction.

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formerbabe · 30/05/2016 20:25

OK am going to rtft...there are over 200 posts though in my defence Confused

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MrsCampbellBlack · 30/05/2016 20:35

At least read the OP's posts formerbabe or maybe think if there are over 200 posts that someone else may have posted what you posted Confused

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Merd · 30/05/2016 20:59

"There are over 200 posts" isn't a "defence" - in fact that's the problem. It's a long conversation and you need to take part in order to, er, take part!

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Waltermittythesequel · 30/05/2016 21:23

OK am going to rtft...there are over 200 posts though in my defence

Sorry but that's not a defence. 200 posts means the thread has moved on.

If you cba reading it, you shouldn't post on it!

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lorilobs · 30/05/2016 21:58

If you can afford to, why don't you find another solution for childcare maybe once she's in school, then lose this feeling of owing her?
Or ask her politely to stop coming in to your house unless she can manage to remain comment free; you're an adult, leading your child consciously to happiness that she is soiling with her overbearing behaviour/attitude?
If she realises how much her behaviour risks losing, she might button it-a bit-
Good luck!

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