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to have made my mother cry yet again?

238 replies

slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 15:11

Don't know where to start- right now I am at home under a duvet while my husband and daughter are out enjoying the funfair. Yet another run in with my mother has left me reeling and I can't cope with people right now. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I don't know what to do next.

I'm 45, my mother is 73. Frankly, we're both too old to change! To keep this post under a million pages long, let's just say she has never been happy with my standards of cleaning and tidying. There are various reasons why I am the way I am- all look like excuses when I type them, but there we are. I am not a bad person.

Our daughter's going to be 4 next week. She has barely slept through the night ever. We both have full time jobs- DH leaves at 6am. We are lucky to work locally and very lucky that my parents look after DD outside nursery hours. She starts school in September.

We do our best to keep the bombsite that is our house under control, but not easy to find time that works while DD is awake and when she goes to sleep, we collapse. My parents are in this house every day for pick up and drop off (I don't drive, so I can't take her to them)

on Thursday we had the latest 'last straw'. Wait for it.....yellow broccoli.

For reasons beyond my comprehension, DD has decided to keep veg out of the fridge. I decided it wasn't worth an argument and let it continue. Mother discovered the broccoli before I'd had a chance to come downstairs. She described it as 'rotten'. It wasn't. There was also some spinach and potatoes, also apparently rotten. I never got to see them as Dad had whisked the offending articles out of the house lest we all die of yellow broccoli contamination.

Cue lecture about standards - I've had 45 years of this one- and the implications that my daugher's health is at risk. And we may all have food poisoning without even knowing it. Which is where my patience ran out. And I am told we live in squalor. Etc.

in the evening she comes in as if nothing has happened.

2 days later and they have DD for the morning so we can tidy up. This has by now been turned into a bigger deal than it really is. I phone to ask what time we're getting DD back. I get the usual answer to a totally different question, we go back down the yellow broccoli road and then I learn the shock revelation that inside a sealed box, which was inside a sealed bag, in a rucksack, were some leftover strawberries from last week, which we'd forgotten to take out after a walk. More lecture then she wound herself up into tears and hung up.

So I have made my mother cry yet again.

Literally the only thing that matters about my life to her is cleaning and tidying. She is stupidly over-happy if I do a bit of dusting and almost suicidal if I don't- which is more often than the first one.

I can hear people shouting (if they've survived this far) "so just tidy then" but it's not that simple. and if I do, there's something else. always something

When DD starts school, I'll be able to walk her there in the morning, so they don't have to come here, but in the afternoon, she wants to come back here and stay for the 2 hours before I get in, and cook dinner as well. They live 5 mins away. I don't think this is going to enhance the family harmony situation.

I have signed up a team of cleaners who come over and blitz every few months- I can't get on top of the tidying more often than that, so it's better than nothing.

I am crafty, knitting, sewing, etc. I hardly do any of it any more, as you can't enjoy yourself while there's chores to be done, but I do spend time with DD making things and to me the one hour I have with her before bedtime is precious. We have clutter. I created solutions, but they became problems. My mum 'tidies' by shoving everything anywhere it will go, so within one day, all the bits from DD's games are separated, never to be found again. Anything I put down, disappears and later turns up in the most random of drawers.

So I've sort of given up, as I'm going to be wrong anyway, whatever I do.

Finding this exhausting and hating myself. Even more so for my mother being in tears because of me.

We are all good people and everyone's miserable. My daughter is a fantastic little girl and I have worked hard to make sure she is growing up happy, healthy and confident, and with a sense of self. She is sociable and everyone loves her. I was a shy, quiet, nervous child. I don't want her to grow up like I did.

I'm so sorry this is so long.

OP posts:
LouBlue1507 · 29/05/2016 17:05

I haven't read the whole thread...

But had OP seriously been in bed all day and missed out on going to the fair with her family because she's had an argument with her mum?

If this is the case.. Wow.

witsender · 29/05/2016 17:07

Seeing them every day is fine. Needing them to take care of a solo 4 yr old for hours on end just so you can clean and then having to ask when you can get her back is more unusual.

Dontlaugh · 29/05/2016 17:09

From what I've read, my input is;
Take control back; hire childcare and/or a cleaner. Then any criticism is yours to give or withhold.
Stop expecting to be treated like an adult whilst your parents hold so much power over so many of the most crucial markers of an adults life; housing, childcare, house maintenance (or criticism of it).
THEN come back and update.
It'll probably lead to healthier relationships all round, I'd hope.

Merd · 29/05/2016 17:10

But had OP seriously been in bed all day and missed out on going to the fair with her family because she's had an argument with her mum?

I may be over-reading into things given my fucked up upbringing, but that's what dysfunctional relationships can do to you, yes. I wouldn't be so Hmm about it if I were you. Clearly the OP and her mum both need some help.

diddl · 29/05/2016 17:13

"we did 5 hours straight this morning while they looked after her."

How can there be so much to do when it sounds as if you are all out for a lot of time?

I also can't help thinking what a waste of a day!

No way would my husband spend 5hrs without his daughter at the weekend because my mum didn't deem the house clean/tidy enough!

LouBlue1507 · 29/05/2016 17:14

Sounds like they both need to get a grip to hold on to Hmm

Greenyogagirl · 29/05/2016 17:18

If there's 5 hours straight worth to be done surely it's not as good as you think?

Merd · 29/05/2016 17:19

Well I'm glad we've got posters with your sort of sympathy, understanding and empathy there LouBlue. Helpful stuff.

diddl · 29/05/2016 17:19

If they are going to carry on looking after your daughter when she starts school & they live so close, there's no reason at all why they need to be at your house!

diddl · 29/05/2016 17:20

"If there's 5 hours straight worth to be done surely it's not as good as you think?"

I was wondering!

2 people for 5hrs each?

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2016 17:21

Radiators need to be cleaned behind?!
Er seriously, is there not more to life?

Your mum has a problem.
It is not normal to cry over strawberries.

slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 17:28

I'd follow advice to post again on Relationships if you want help to process it all a bit more

Thanks- I will, if I need to.

mummytime I don't have to take to my bed every time- I allowed myself to feel down for an afternoon. But as your other sweeping comments have judged me and decided what's what, I don't even know why I'm justifying myself to you. Must be wonderful being perfect.

OP posts:
Greenyogagirl · 29/05/2016 17:28

It seems you and dh are a bit lax on the cleaning front. It seems you're a bit overwhelmed/depressed at the mo (under duvet) seems mum is over emotional/worried. Seems you are all unhappy. If you spend 5 hours straight cleaning you do not have a clean house I'm afraid. Try to find 20 mins in the morning and 20 in the evening to clean up. Make sure kitchen and bathroom are great, have boxes for general clutter in lounge and relax a bit more upstairs.
Mum will appreciate downstairs being clean and veg in the fridge (sorry that's just where it lives) if she says any more just say you're doing your best to get on top of and keep on top of it. (And if you can afford it get a cleaner once a week to go over the whole house)
Also you shouldn't ask when you're daughter will be returned, has she kidnapped her and the random is a clean house? Just say 'thanks for having her mum I'll pick her up at ....whatever time'
Try and meet in the middle

Wolpertinger · 29/05/2016 17:34

I'm interested that your mum seems to think that YOU don't keep the house tidy - you live there jointly with your DH, who it turns out in this case was responsible for the mess (not actually mouldy veg).

And the consequences on this occasion were that you and your mum felt bad and your DH got to spend a nice day out with your DD Confused

It's been my experience that most people live in the level of mess/tidiness that makes them happy/ fits with their lifestyle. Your DM appears to have a very gendered view of tidying - did she work full time or part time or was she a stay at home mum?

Rather than telling her to fuck off which she richly deserves but which prob isn't constructive you could point out that in your house you and DH are equally responsible for tidying as you both work full-time, when she used to be a stay-at-home-mum (or whatever division or labour there was in her house). But you notice she only ever sees it as your responsibility - why is that?

PetuliaGristle · 29/05/2016 17:36

Mouseinahole I want to be like you when I grow up

getyourfingeroutyournose · 29/05/2016 17:38

Send your mother to my place... the mess here would destroy her! I've found kale and spring greens turning to mulch at the bottom of my fridge and my bags get cleaned out so little that often huge spiders take up residence in them. I just found my cat with her kill of the day (a blue bottle fly which we all know practically lives on dog poo) and she'll have a nervous break down just from the smell (kindly left by DP's very own arse and somehow has not left!).

abbsismyhero · 29/05/2016 17:40

crying over broccoli is pathetic really

ive take five hours to clean my house to do a good job and find all the bits to the toys putting them in the right place

begin labeling areas for the toys to go into and sorry call her out if she puts them in a different place its not HELPING to stuff things where they don't belong its irritating and makes any clean up take twice as long

personally i have cleaned my sisters floor when i was waiting for a new washing machine i wiped up spilled water (from the old machine) made a clean spot and kept on going she was a bit Hmm about it pointed out to me she only mopped her floor twice yearly but i didn't make a practice out of it and i didn't try and make her change her ways and clean more often its her home not mine her standards not mine

Merd · 29/05/2016 17:40

It seems you and dh are a bit lax on the cleaning front

Hah! My house has been (honest to GOD) spotless and clean and fresh/ironed/hoovered/brand new show home state/new build, we'd just moved in and everything was completely perfect, no dust etc, in fact I've never had a place so perfectly new and shiny before - and my mum STILL snootily commented on it and mocked my cleaning skills. She likes picking fault (like some people do) because she's a deeply unhappy person with MH issues which also manifested themselves in OCD behaviour when we were young sometimes. The OP's mum might be similar (or might not, I appreciate I'm projecting).

But my point is you cannot just assume that the OP's house is a state because her mum says it is.

However - it could be a derelict barn with fungus growing over it and the OP's mum still doesn't have to weep or be passive-aggressive about it.

OP - I fixed this sort of criticism by never inviting my mum over again. (That's pretty extreme and based on other issues too though I hasten to add). AIBU does seem to give people license to just vent and let loose. Definitely go for relationships next time and don't actually mention the "cleaning" - that's the trigger; not the issue.

PerspicaciaTick · 29/05/2016 17:42

slightly, my house is a tip. It doesn't make me feel great TBH, but never once has my DMum made me feel as shit as your mum regularly does. My DMum tries (doesn't always get it 100% right, but then again I don't expect her to have answers to issues I havne't been able to fix myself) to be supportive.
Your DMum sounds manipulative (the crying) and unfairly setting standards that you can't/won't ever meet.
She needs to spend less time in your home. She needs to spend less time with access to your kitchen and belongings. Either she looks after DD in her home, or you find alternative after school care. You both need to find ways of enjoying your time together, rather than resenting each other for things neither of you can change... so you need to find different wyas of spending time together and breaking the cycle of nagging and failure.

Fairenuff · 29/05/2016 17:46

I'm not clear on the reasons why the house is a tip in the first place. Can you not do an hour a day each to keep on top of it?

curren · 29/05/2016 17:47

It's quite obvious really op. You have found yourself in a position of not really being an independent adult. You and your dh don't stand on your own two feet and your mum still feels like the mum of a child.

Added on to that, that it probably does make her sad that she gave you a house, a house she probably looked after, to help you and you (in her view) are treating like shit.

I know when you give a gift you can't say what happens to it. But still could be hurtful?

Quite honestly though, how bad is it?

My house is not spotless. But it's clean and tidy and both dh and I have always worked, so yes it does sound like excuses. But unless it's a real tip, stop making lame excuses and start being an adult:

WriteforFun1 · 29/05/2016 17:49

OP "
When DD starts school, I'll be able to walk her there in the morning, so they don't have to come here, but in the afternoon, she wants to come back here and stay for the 2 hours before I get in, and cook dinner as well. "

What do you want OP? It sounds as if issue number one is your mum is way too involved. Your cleaning standards aren't her business but it would be much easier to sort if she was around. There's a lot more to be said but I won't repeat what others have said.

You mention you and your mum have major rows every couple of months, that would wear me out. She needs to be told that your life is your life. But I can't see that working if she is at your house daily. Will she be hurt if you pay for childcare? I'm thinking that would be better and she needs to see that too.

curren · 29/05/2016 17:49

Why on earth does your Dd go to your mums so you can tidy up?

Greenyogagirl · 29/05/2016 17:54

Merd I assume dd going to grandparents so op and dh can do a 5 hour straight clean means things have got a bit on top of them. My house occasionally has a bomb go off and it doesn't take that long to sort it out

Choceeclair123 · 29/05/2016 17:54

Send her round to us, I'd love some childcare / cleaning help, oh and a mother!