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to have made my mother cry yet again?

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slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 15:11

Don't know where to start- right now I am at home under a duvet while my husband and daughter are out enjoying the funfair. Yet another run in with my mother has left me reeling and I can't cope with people right now. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I don't know what to do next.

I'm 45, my mother is 73. Frankly, we're both too old to change! To keep this post under a million pages long, let's just say she has never been happy with my standards of cleaning and tidying. There are various reasons why I am the way I am- all look like excuses when I type them, but there we are. I am not a bad person.

Our daughter's going to be 4 next week. She has barely slept through the night ever. We both have full time jobs- DH leaves at 6am. We are lucky to work locally and very lucky that my parents look after DD outside nursery hours. She starts school in September.

We do our best to keep the bombsite that is our house under control, but not easy to find time that works while DD is awake and when she goes to sleep, we collapse. My parents are in this house every day for pick up and drop off (I don't drive, so I can't take her to them)

on Thursday we had the latest 'last straw'. Wait for it.....yellow broccoli.

For reasons beyond my comprehension, DD has decided to keep veg out of the fridge. I decided it wasn't worth an argument and let it continue. Mother discovered the broccoli before I'd had a chance to come downstairs. She described it as 'rotten'. It wasn't. There was also some spinach and potatoes, also apparently rotten. I never got to see them as Dad had whisked the offending articles out of the house lest we all die of yellow broccoli contamination.

Cue lecture about standards - I've had 45 years of this one- and the implications that my daugher's health is at risk. And we may all have food poisoning without even knowing it. Which is where my patience ran out. And I am told we live in squalor. Etc.

in the evening she comes in as if nothing has happened.

2 days later and they have DD for the morning so we can tidy up. This has by now been turned into a bigger deal than it really is. I phone to ask what time we're getting DD back. I get the usual answer to a totally different question, we go back down the yellow broccoli road and then I learn the shock revelation that inside a sealed box, which was inside a sealed bag, in a rucksack, were some leftover strawberries from last week, which we'd forgotten to take out after a walk. More lecture then she wound herself up into tears and hung up.

So I have made my mother cry yet again.

Literally the only thing that matters about my life to her is cleaning and tidying. She is stupidly over-happy if I do a bit of dusting and almost suicidal if I don't- which is more often than the first one.

I can hear people shouting (if they've survived this far) "so just tidy then" but it's not that simple. and if I do, there's something else. always something

When DD starts school, I'll be able to walk her there in the morning, so they don't have to come here, but in the afternoon, she wants to come back here and stay for the 2 hours before I get in, and cook dinner as well. They live 5 mins away. I don't think this is going to enhance the family harmony situation.

I have signed up a team of cleaners who come over and blitz every few months- I can't get on top of the tidying more often than that, so it's better than nothing.

I am crafty, knitting, sewing, etc. I hardly do any of it any more, as you can't enjoy yourself while there's chores to be done, but I do spend time with DD making things and to me the one hour I have with her before bedtime is precious. We have clutter. I created solutions, but they became problems. My mum 'tidies' by shoving everything anywhere it will go, so within one day, all the bits from DD's games are separated, never to be found again. Anything I put down, disappears and later turns up in the most random of drawers.

So I've sort of given up, as I'm going to be wrong anyway, whatever I do.

Finding this exhausting and hating myself. Even more so for my mother being in tears because of me.

We are all good people and everyone's miserable. My daughter is a fantastic little girl and I have worked hard to make sure she is growing up happy, healthy and confident, and with a sense of self. She is sociable and everyone loves her. I was a shy, quiet, nervous child. I don't want her to grow up like I did.

I'm so sorry this is so long.

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blondieblonde · 29/05/2016 15:49

OP - don't worry, the tone of Mumsnet is a bit shocking at first, I don't think anyone means any harm to you. Other mums are just feeling defensive of you. You're working so hard and it's a shame you're not having a good time x

reallybadidea · 29/05/2016 15:50

Well none of us can see your house, so it's difficult to know how unreasonable your mum is being. A few things though that make it sound as though you're not really on top of things:

Your 4 year old still doesn't sleep through
Your 4 year old gets to decide whether vegetables stay in the fridge or not
Your parents have found 'rotten' food in the house
Your house is messy enough to need blitzing by a team of cleaners every month
You and your partner have only 1 child and no long commute yet cannot find the time to keep the house tidy.

I had a friend who prioritised time with her children above pretty much anything else, which is great and they are lovely children. However her house was really grim. She complained that her mum had unreasonable expectations but the truth was that her children's home environment was unpleasant and chaotic. Obviously there has to be a balance.

Hand on heart, is your home worse than the majority of your friend's? Do you need support in dealing with your mother's unreasonable demands or do you need support in taking control of life?

SemiNormal · 29/05/2016 15:52

OP I'm wondering about your mental state at the moment? please don't take that the wrong way but hiding away under your duvet won't change/fix things and you know that. It feels like this is getting so down, and I know when I feel like that the last thing I feel like doing is cleaning - when I feel down I want to just hide away from the world and do nothing. If I'm right then this is a vicious circle that will just continue until you put a stop to it. Does your mum have any idea how you feel? Have you sat her down and explained that actually her constant nagging of you is having a detrimental effect to your emotional wellbeing, therefore making you less likely to feel like cleaning/tidying? If that's too difficult perhaps a letter? Failing that then you need to take the bull by the horns and tell her in no uncertain terms that if she wants to see you then it will be outside of your home in future as you don't want to 'inflict' your mess on her or be berated for the way your home looks.

Adelecarberry87 · 29/05/2016 15:52

It's really difficult to gage how bad the mess is or if your DM is over reacting. For all I know it could be like dirty house like in compulsive cleaners or just abit of mess that could be tidied. That been said realistically if you have one child you should be able to maintain a reasonable tidy household I think that should be a basic thing for a parent . I know many family's with more than one child who seem to manage cleaning there isn't an excuse. Is she frightened of accidents due to clutter? As for going off foods again it's difficult to gage again without seeing it. If it's causing issues for you i would suggest sneaking alternate childcare for your DD.

RandomMess · 29/05/2016 15:52

TBH unless you are going to make drastic changes (which you don't want to) I would suggest that they look after DD in their home. They are actually adding to your work by moving stuff etc.

Personally I really, really think you need some distance/space from your parents - you know "leave & cleave". What else do they interfere with?

SanityClause · 29/05/2016 15:54

If your parents look after your DD for free while you work, this is the price. Is it worth it?

Once she is at school, can she do an after school club until you can pick her up after school? Or can you get an after school child minder?

If so, I'd suck it up until then, and then do that.

If they question it, soften the blow a bit. "You do such a lovely job of looking after DD, but I feel guilty asking you to do it. You need to be enjoying your retirement, not acting as an unpaid child minder. I think it would be better if spending time together could be more of a treat for each of you, instead of something mundane."

SapphireStrange · 29/05/2016 15:55

You didn't make her cry. She did. She's a grown woman who cries about some vegetables out of the fridge in someone else's house.

Think about that.

Really. Is that worth you making yourself feel shit about?

Ignore the posters snarking about your standards of clean and tidiness.

Tell your mother to get a grip.

MeMySonAndl · 29/05/2016 15:58

When I split from my exh, I was told that the only way to juggle a full time job and having full responsibility for my son was to be more relaxed about cleaning and tidiness standards. Which is true up to the point, but I have noticed that an untidy place can add tons of stress to your day:

  1. you can't find stuff you need in the morning, that goes from shoes to keys so by the time you leave the house you are already frazzled.

  2. you cannot rest. If everytime you enter a room, you make a mental note of the amount of pending things you have to do, tidy up or finish, there's no peace.

  3. If the disorganisation extends to the fridge you end up having a worse diet, and spending a lot more money. Simply put, if you can't find a key ingredient or you have no clean area to cook, ready meals and take always become a common occurrence.

I understand how annoying you may find your mum, but she sure has a point about the effect an untidy house can have in your stress levels. I'm afraid however, if she is helping out with childcare in a regular basis, it is going to be difficult to stop her having an opinion about your life, at the end of the day, she is helping you more than many parents can or want to do.

Wolpertinger · 29/05/2016 16:00

I'm interested that you thought everyone would agree with your mum about your poor tidying. Actually I suspect you have pretty average standards of tidying. What I think you are utterly crap at is standing up for yourself.

All the decisions in your house appear to be made either by a 4 year old or your mother.

You have an only child you does not sleep through the night and the whole household revolves around her needs to the extent that if she decides vegetables don't go in the fridge, they don't.

Equally if your mother finds a mouldy strawberry, this is so catastrophic it reduces a 73 yr old to tears and upsets you so much that you couldn't go to the funfair with your DH and DD and had to hide under a duvet.

I would guess your mother is highly critical of large areas of your life, not just the tidying, and is far far too involved in it - you might find a lot in common with the Stately Homes folk on Relationships - and the best thing you could do would be to stop relying on her for childcare and have less to do with her.

The next thing that would help you would be a parenting course as you prob haven't learnt much of value from your mum, have zero self confidence, and your beloved little girl is currently twisting you round her little finger.

suchafuss · 29/05/2016 16:01

Its about her obsessions and wanting to control you. Some women, usually the older ones imo use cleaning as a way of demonstrating that they are better than you. My mum was dreadful! She would comment on the state of other peoples washing hung out to dry, the colour of their net curtains, anything really. She even told me I was hanging washing out wrong and we had a rug we couldnt walk on and she would comb its fringes too! Its no coincidence that I am untidy, its my way of rebelling. Ignor her and live as you see fit so long as its not a real health hazard

ImperialBlether · 29/05/2016 16:01

I think there are two things you could do which would have a huge impact on you. First, your mother should look after your daughter in her home. Secondly, you really need to get your daughter's sleep sorted out. Lack of sleep is terrible for everyone. Once that's sorted, your life will be so much easier. Ask your health visitor for advice if you need it.

slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 16:02

hi NotYoda- gosh this is moving fast- are we able to reply directly under a comment? Otherwise, by the time I've replied to you, there are loads of other comments in the way.

my reasons for being so near to her are simple- I do not drive and the town where I grew up is an excellent town to grow up in. My parents wanted to downsize and practically gave me their house (we could never have afforded anything round here) while they moved 5 mins away in the same town.

My daughter is able to have a wonderful life with many friends, ballet and football, and endless parks, all within walking distance, and I will be able to walk her to school and be in time to walk to work.

My mother and I have a bust up every couple of months, so I'll get over this and so will she.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/05/2016 16:03

Did you mean DD decided to keep veg out of the fridge, or was it a typo for DH?

My parents' housekeeping standards have dropped now they are in their 80s but even now they're higher than mine. Fortunately (in this respect) they live 400 miles away so we always have enough notice to blitz the place before they visit.

As so many others have said, one person's bombsite is another person's showhome.

MrsCampbellBlack · 29/05/2016 16:04

Your mother does sound trying but if she is very clean and tidy - then spending time in your house may be stressful for her.

Is getting a cleaner weekly an option?

slightlyirritable · 29/05/2016 16:05

suchafuss I hear you!!! I had a mother in law who told me I hung the washing out wrong... Wonder if we're both hanging it out the same wrong way or one of us is even more wrong in our wrongness?!

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MrsJoeyMaynard · 29/05/2016 16:05

My mum's a bit like that too. I made her cry when DS1 was a new born baby. I think he'd been discharged from hospital a week or two before this (he was premature so in SCBU for his first few weeks).

She came round mid morning, DS1 had kept me awake most of the night, as new born babies tend to. Mum burst into tears because I was still in my pyjamas and hadn't vacuumed since she'd been round 2 days before.

My housekeeping standards are simply not up to my mother's. Things tend to swing between mum keeping her nose out of things and staying pointedly silent, to mum's increasingly persistent and demanding offers to help us tidy and clean, to arguments and fallings out about how I'm just not doing it right / taking her help for granted / refusing to let her help. And then back to the beginning.

So I can sympathize, OP, but I have no practical advice to offer, as it's a situation I haven't found a workable solution to myself yet. And yes, if it was all as simple as "so just tidy then" I'm sure that would help, although I suspect my mum would pick fault with our home unless it was constantly at a minimalist show home standard.

SeamstressfromTreacleMineRoad · 29/05/2016 16:06

Re: the paperwork - I'm just the same, and found a solution (note, it's not THE solution, as it may not work for you, but it did for me) in buying a large wooden box (not plastic, as that's see-through..!) and 'filing' ALL paperwork in there as soon as it has been opened and read - obviously, anything requiring action is dealt with at once, before 'filing' (to avoid bailiffs arriving weeks later Smile).

It means that you can find anything relatively easily, but it's OUT OF SIGHT Grin Then every 6-9 months I have a blitz, file away important stuff and shred the rest. My house looks SO much tidier without piles of paper everywhere... Good luck Flowers

blitheringbuzzards1234 · 29/05/2016 16:06

I sympathise, if your critical mother found the house neat and tidy would she actually notice? Or does she only see it as its worst and pick up on that? Could you and daughter have a box each for your crafts and slide them under the settee when her visits are due?

Maybe your 'imperfection in the housework dept' is because of her life-long over-fussy ways and your more relaxed house is a reaction to that.

Her bursting into tears is over-reacting - remind her firmly that none of you have died yet. But if I were you I'd put the veg back in the fridge.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/05/2016 16:07

Actually, I wonder if a lot of this is caused by your living in her old home and not keeping it 'nice'. I could see that being difficult from both sides.

AmysTiara · 29/05/2016 16:07

I think this is all about her way of controlling you. Letting you know you're not up to scratch. I'd just laugh at her if she tries crying over vegetables.

MrsCampbellBlack · 29/05/2016 16:07

It does sound that your parents have and do help you an awful lot - I don't know, I'd perhaps be willing to just pretend to listen to her whilst tuning out.

MrsCampbellBlack · 29/05/2016 16:08

And was just going to say what GaspOde said about it being their old house.

MadisonMontgomery · 29/05/2016 16:08

I think as long as your house is honestly not an absolute state you need to just sit down with your parents and ask them to back off. My dad is obsessively clean, as is the rest of his family, and I know they all think I live in a hovel, when the reality is I really don't! I just tell him that he needs to keep quiet about it otherwise we're going to fall out.

NotYoda · 29/05/2016 16:10

Thanks for your reply

Gosh - she gave you your house - you probably feel you owe her a lot. And as someone said, it was her house. It's a blinking psychodrama!

What does your dad think/say about this. What does your DH think/say?